| 9:01 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|find it hard to believe any law in another country would hold Google liable for something that is beyond their control. |
It may be hard to believe, but it can definitely happen, given the other things foreign companies have already filed suit for:
| 9:04 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)|
No, i do not think the countries would hold google liable, I think that the other countries would have a problem with the US government having access to country specific information that no other country would be able to obtain. If i ran a country, and another country had access to things of that nature, i would not stand for it. but then again, that could very well be the reason I am not running a country :P
| 10:47 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|BBC are now running with this one all over their networks |
Yes, I saw that a couple of times today. They are running a very Anti-Google stance and the presenter was openingly laughing at / mocking Google. There will be a letter written to 'Points of View' about yet another case of the BBC taking a personal political viewpoint and attaching it to a news report.
| 11:15 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Be nice if this thread [webmasterworld.com] was "blended" and not "locked" and just lost..particularly as it was started virtually the same time as the current one and was much less for the position of the gov't than the current "live" thread here..
| 11:29 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Let's not make this a left right thing. Google is looking at this issue strictly as business people.
The more privacy and security the surfer has, the more business will be done.
Google is rightfully asking "Are we a free enterprise country (with the emphasis on either word, or both), or not?"
| 11:42 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)|
| 11:48 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Apparently the business world sees this stunt as a waste and the stock market shows that.
i wonder if this is the beginning of the normal valuation of google
| 12:08 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Wouldn't surprise me if MS, (who has their head far up the Bushistas whazoo) is behind this somehow too.
| 1:24 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
From what I gather ( there was a BBC news documentary on google tonight).
The US government want 1. a random list of 1 million websites indexed by google. AND 2.random list of searches perform on google within a certain time frame.
Therefor the information requested is not as such specific to anyone or to any IP.
Thus I must say that google are just doing it for the PR ( just think how much coverage on tv, web, press, radio,word of mouth etc google have had over the last few hours because of this issue).
In the end google will have to give up the info since they are a US company and located in the US.
Its a shame their stock price has dropped alittle over this issue.
| 1:55 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
>>I noticed that DOJ wants the searches "absent any information identifying the person who entered such query."
So if it's not a privacy issue what does Google NOT want others to see? Google noted one reason for the refusal had something to do with their competition. I for one would love to see Google search totals. Even if it is for just one week.
| 3:22 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
> Apparently the business world sees this stunt as a waste
Google's drop in stock price has nothing to do with this issue.
A few days ago Yahoo reported earnings that weren't up to some peoples' expectations - that caused yahoo and other net stocks to drop.
Today Citicorp and GE reported poor earnings which caused people to worry about Google's 4Q earnings which will be announced on the 31st. Google is already trading at a pretty high P/E ratio.
This is some of the best press Google has gotten for almost no cost to them. People seem to misunderstand the legal implications.
There are two possible outcomes:
1) Google looses in court and has to turn over data. They were the only ones that fought this - and google will be seen as heroic by many and will have gained much goodwill for very little cost. They amount the pay their lawyers will be pittance compared to the goodwill and great press they have been getting.
2) Google wins in court - same benefit - plus people will then wonder why the other search engines caved so easily.
Either way Google wins. Long term Google investors win.
There are no fines google will have to pay if they lose - they will only have to give what the others already have.
Google is overpriced by many measures. Almost everyone here when they went public said they were overpriced since they day they went public - including myself sometimes.
All of those people lost out on their almost 500% increase.
People are skittish about Google's value as an investment.
| 4:25 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Chris you proved my point exactly. Google does nothing and wins, yet the real problems continue to exist only to bite them and everyone else in the butt much harder.
Google is being bit because of the doubt in the market, doubts they won't resolve.
If Google is going to fight the DOJ and stand up for privacy issues then FIGHT.
Right now this is a publicity stunt and a google spooge fest if you ask me
| 9:49 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I bet the US Government will be shocked at how many people search for the "sf giants" ...
All the Best
| 10:14 am on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|Google should do its analytics and throw away the data nightly. |
it's in the server logsfiles. it's in the large databases that most certainly log every web activity all over the world. throwing away the search statistics would make it harder to get the data, but not impossible.
And - I'm sure the SEs need huge amounts of raw query data (old and new) to fine tune the algs. Throwing them away would spoil results in the long run.
| 8:01 pm on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
just to remind that no person or company is over the Low
Just in the news: German judge closed
| 8:23 pm on Jan 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Good point Nerd.
The govmt already intercepts all search data, they are just needing ways to openly use it by saying the private companies gave it to them.
| 5:36 pm on Jan 22, 2006 (gmt 0)|
NBC Video (Google can track everything down to the searcher and keeps records forever):
if enough people start having privacy fears, kiss Google goodbye
| 6:01 pm on Jan 22, 2006 (gmt 0)|
"Google can track everything down to the searcher and keeps records forever", yeah but the searcher on a dynamic ip will only be know for as long as his/her ISP keeps logs.
| 6:06 pm on Jan 22, 2006 (gmt 0)|
>> yeah but the searcher on a dynamic ip
are there other ways of tracking users, via cookies, link to gmail, Mac address etc...?
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