homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.211.201.65
register, free tools, login, search, subscribe, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Pubcon Platinum Sponsor 2014
Visit PubCon.com
Home / Forums Index / Google / Google Finance, Govt, Policy and Business Issues
Forum Library, Charter, Moderators: goodroi

Google Finance, Govt, Policy and Business Issues Forum

    
Google Restarts Controversial Book Digitizing Plan
engine




msg:1233515
 11:31 am on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google is resuming its controversial project to digitise millions of books and make them searchable on the net.
The search giant is pressing ahead with its plans despite growing legal pressure from publishers and authors.


[news.bbc.co.uk...]

 

Import Export




msg:1233516
 11:43 am on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)


It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. We already know the publishers and authors are moving forward with legal battles..

Max_M




msg:1233517
 11:59 am on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Also check out this one (bit off topic. Great read though):

"Has the Google juggernaut got a roadmap?"
[news.bbc.co.uk...]

LeoXIV




msg:1233518
 3:12 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

one of the reasons Google is interesting, they do it anyway :)

walkman




msg:1233519
 4:06 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

imagine the pressure on the lawyer who gave the final OK, a lot is riding on this. If they losee, they lose big. Of course they can also win

Bentler




msg:1233520
 4:35 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Interesting articles. If I were a Google strategist, I'd work to integrate Google Print with its micropayment system under development, so people can buy books one page at a time and create a win-win-win for authors, publishers and Google. Then integrate Google print with Google Local and library checkout databases around the country to identify reader location and offer a library link alongside bookseller links.

Such a system would fit their mission nicely, and the payment system, then, wouldn't compete with Ebay/Paypal.

xbase234




msg:1233521
 4:42 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google's program seems ill-conceived. Their main justification is that digitalization of print will provide great benefits (which I agree with to a certain extent). But this does not preclude copyright law.

No doubt this will be a major test case for digital rights, and the impact will be far reaching.

bears5122




msg:1233522
 4:53 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Lets spit in the face of copyright laws. Have to respect a company like that.

LeoXIV




msg:1233523
 5:21 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

people can buy books one page at a time

sorta like iTunes store for books!

Demaestro




msg:1233524
 5:41 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

RE: people can buy books one page at a time

Wouldn't by the chapter make more sense? And wouldn't that more closly resemble the model of purchasing a song from a CD. You wouldn't buy just the chores from a song, so why buy just a page from a book?

I could see some advantages of allowing someone to buy the first chapter of a book to see if they can get through it and still want more. If they do want more they could get the rest of the book, minus what they paid for the first chapter.

Matt Probert




msg:1233525
 6:34 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

imagine the pressure on the lawyer who gave the final OK, a lot is riding on this. If they losee, they lose big. Of course they can also win

They have enough money to believe they can buy whatever they want.

It's not good for authors, it's not good for publishers and I don't believe it's good for readers.

Matt

Anolonda




msg:1233526
 6:48 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

This just kills me.

If it were Microsoft doing this, this thread would be ten times longer and more vehement with calls to cut off the head of Bill Gates and eat his offspring.

Google apologists make me wanna poo!

carlr




msg:1233527
 7:19 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is funny...

Google is the World's largest content scraper...

And youre not supposed to do it ;-)

NoLimits




msg:1233528
 7:34 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I hope they fail, and lose their ass misearably.

If they succeed in this - YOUR content is next.

theBear




msg:1233529
 7:51 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

They already have your content.

twist




msg:1233530
 8:28 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

First, I think, came the pirating of software, then music, movies, now books. I wonder whats next.

Another concern, with google and the others all competing to digitize books, could this lead to new developments in digitizing text. Possibly making the process of book to ebook take 10 or 20 minutes. If new technoligies and devices arise from all this book scanning whats going to stop the file-sharing community from buying a new book at the store, scanning it and sharing.

dubnoir




msg:1233531
 8:54 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>> Lets spit in the face of copyright laws. Have to respect a company like that.

exactly. this company is going too far with this. they have no rights to any of this matrial, yet they are going ahead and pirating anyway?

once again, may I present you with the new logo: G$$GLE

hdpt00




msg:1233532
 10:01 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Who the hell would buy one chapter or page at a time? If I buy a book, I read it, if it sucks throguh the first 3 chapters or so I stop and return it. Cna you return 3 chapters of an online book? Either way, google isn't going to win this one.

Leosghost




msg:1233533
 10:13 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can't wait for some bright ( or not so PHD in google ) to decide to do the same with music and film and then have to go head to head with SONY , TW-AOL , DISNEY ,et al..

Oh wait a moment! ..they have the money to make Google back off into oblivion if "their" ( and all legal systems worldwide to date's) interpretation of what is and what is not copyright is challenged ..or disdained ..

"do no evil" ..has become "do not care" ( depending on how much money=influence you have )..

I wonder how long the approval and co-operation of the open source movement with google will continue if google continue to to "decide whats best for us" ..data centres are just as likely to experience and be as vulnerable to DDoS attacks as Microsoft's systems and servers have been ..

( and when the screens go blank joe public will go to "Y" or whomsoever is working and seen to be accurate relevant and ethical ..even if unfortunately it will be decided in that order )

It is not enough to be "the enemy of mine enemy" one must also prove oneself to "be my friend and beyond reproach" .

plumsauce




msg:1233534
 10:32 pm on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)


Finally ..

a crack in the facade.

first a stain, then a drip, then a stream, and finally a torrent.

Josefu




msg:1233535
 10:45 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Much of this thread's comments seem biased. I suggest that all drop the notion, other than for formulating predictions about a company's future actions, or as a global judgement of the company itself, that the "global good" (or bad) of a company itself can somehow "balance" its individual actions. Each and every plan must be judged separately for what it is and what it intends to do.

Exactly what work does Google propose to put "for free" online? Recent works, or "public domain"? Google says that the former/latter ratio will be 2/5 (or 80% public domain) - but what will that 20% of "under copyright" work be? If it is indeed work that is widely available through bookstores, what would Google's goal in publishing copyrighted material for free be?

All this is still, read through both Google's statements and the press (not to mention the wording of the lawsuits themselves), rather vague.

ThatAdamGuy




msg:1233536
 11:10 pm on Nov 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

For a much more balanced and nuanced look at the issues, I respectfully recommend this article in Salon:
Throwing Google at the Book:
[salon.com ]

(Free day pass or paid membership required)

Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Google / Google Finance, Govt, Policy and Business Issues
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved