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Gates Says : We Never Talked to Google
Brett_Tabke




msg:1238076
 9:35 am on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

We've never been in any talks with Google about any acquisition thing in any way, shape or form," Gates told USA TODAY last week.

[usatoday.com...]

 

vitaplease




msg:1238077
 9:47 am on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

A strong search function which helps people find documents wherever they're stored is part of that "shared computing" vision. But Gates says Microsoft is developing its own technology, not looking to buy Google's. "We made that decision a year ago," he says. Microsoft demonstrated a prototype at the show.

Did anyone take a peek?

caine




msg:1238078
 10:05 am on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Interesting read. so they must have intentions of rolling out their search solution soon, if they are promo-ing at comdex!

tigger




msg:1238079
 10:25 am on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

at least now we are not all going to have "all our eggs in the same basket" :)

caine




msg:1238080
 10:30 am on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Looking at the way its going - 3 baskets to be specific.

G / AOL (going to lose a lot of partners come 2004).
Yahoo / INK, ATW, AV, Overture
MSN (or whatever they are to call it).

Then the smaller SE's.

AJ/Teoma
Looksmart

Probably be a very healthy period for the SE's during 2004.

Receptional




msg:1238081
 11:40 am on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

As long as there are 3 big players, I still have a function in life. However, the carve up is almost complete.

That said, Google came from nowhere.

I am really looking forward to MSN's offering. I am also gutted that nobody here seems to have sneaked a peak. What planet are we on if none of us managed to sneak a peak at something on show at a MAJOR exhibition from the largest web property in the world?

powerstar




msg:1238082
 2:25 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I wonder who benefit more from the story of Microsoft buying Google.

I think Google, pre IPO not a bad story.

caine




msg:1238083
 3:03 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I would be more tempted to think MSN.

If they can build up a big head of steam for the arrival of their new engine, i.e. financial and media pandamonium, so that us lot as webmasters in varying capacities and searchers, get a real sense of the occasion and reality of a brand new search engine coming on board, watch G's user figures decline big style.

Gates rarely makes statements that are going to benefit anyone else!

If MSN or whatever the name of the SE is going to be, can actually produce clean un-spammed SERPs, then G should watch out!

Chndru




msg:1238084
 3:27 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I can see a consolidation coming for the SE market shares. But i doubt, G would be worried about it.

martinibuster




msg:1238085
 3:59 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Regarding the Search function, from InternetNews.com [internetnews.com]
Gates demonstrated an advanced search technology project from Microsoft Research, code-named "Stuff I've Seen". Similar in concept to the "Recent Documents" feature, the technology is consolidated into a single user interface to retrieve diverse kinds of information on a PC (such as e-mail, Web browsing history, Office documents and other file types).

I think it's local search Gates was talking about.

Here's something I'd like to see, read it in inforworld [infoworld.com]:

In a lighter moment, which has become a traditional part of Gates' keynote speech at Comdex, he showed a spoof of The Matrix with Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer cast as Neo and himself as Morpheus.

Some might think The Matrix is an odd choice for Microsoft to parody since the movie is about the human race being enslaved by malevolent cyberintelligence, basically software. Neo, a hacker, joins Morpheus and his group to destroy The Matrix.

In Microsoft's version, The Matrix is a world filled with IT consultants working for IBM Corp. and selling Linux, while the world outside The Matrix is Windows, which "frees the IT masses," Gates says in the parody.


airpal




msg:1238086
 4:09 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

"What planet are we on if none of us managed to sneak a peak at something on show at a MAJOR exhibition from the largest web property in the world?"

Not to be condescending, but (myself included) I don't think many people in here are making business decisions on the scale of money that merits going to Comdex...

Having said that, I can smell that somebody in here has the inside info, and wants to keep the beans on MSN's upcoming algo all to himself! ;)

hutcheson




msg:1238087
 4:13 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Groklaw.net has an excellent analysis of Microsoft's search strategy. It is (as might have been expected) the epitome of monetization. Non-commercial listings, if present at all, appear after no less than five classes of paid results, and are not even represented in the "total number of results" until AFTER you've scrolled down through all the paid results.

Chndru




msg:1238088
 4:14 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

From: [biz.yahoo.com...]
Showcasing some of the results of the company's $6.8 billion investment in research and development this fiscal year, Gates demonstrated an advanced search technology project from Microsoft Research, code-named "Stuff I've Seen," which explores ways to provide a single user interface to dynamically retrieve diverse kinds of information on a PC (such as e-mail, Web browsing history, Office documents and other file types), and emphasized the company's long-term commitment to revolutionizing the way software helps people deal with a growing amount of digital information.

dirkz




msg:1238089
 4:55 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

while the world outside The Matrix is Windows, which "frees the IT masses,"

LOL, this is weird :)

I really don't think that MS and Google will take away visitors from the other. I think they will develop different user bases.

In a year we'll all be using MSN for finding products and Google for finding information.

Kirby




msg:1238090
 5:15 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

which explores ways to provide a single user interface to dynamically retrieve diverse kinds of information on a PC

This is perhaps more up the M$ alley than what Google does.

and emphasized the company's long-term commitment to revolutionizing the way software helps people deal with a growing amount of digital information.

Not the same the same thing as a spam-free search engine. It has yet to be seen whether or not M$ can even come close to a search engine like Google, yet many seem to think its a forgone conclusion that they can pull it off. I am not convinced. They may be the biggest, but have yet to demonstrate they are the best.

Non-commercial listings, if present at all, appear after no less than five classes of paid results, and are not even represented in the "total number of results" until AFTER you've scrolled down through all the paid results.

This makes more sense to me. IMO, M$ is once again betting on the masses going with convenience (longhorn with PC search features and a redesigned adequate SE) as opposed to quality.

dirkz




msg:1238091
 5:37 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

One thing to consider:

In the past MS was always fast to announce good products, but they nearly always needed several attempts and sometimes years to do it right (or, as in most cases, somehow acceptable :) ).

jranes




msg:1238092
 6:13 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am sure this isn't true but Bill's remarks smack a lot of the Baseball manager who assures the press on Tuesday that "Mc Elroy" is absolutely not going to be traded and there are no talks of trade, only to find out on wednesday the "Mc Elroy" is gone.

richlowe




msg:1238093
 6:19 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

What planet are we on if none of us managed to sneak a peak at something on show at a MAJOR exhibition from the largest web property in the world?

I am the IT director for a multi-billion dollar company, and Comdex has been a lame show for a long, long time. It was useful back in the mid-90s, but now, worthless. I used to send people to the show to find out what was coming, but it was a complete waste of money, time and effort.

Yidaki




msg:1238094
 6:25 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for spotting groklaw, hutcheson. Very worth to read. No real suprise to me though. It's an analyze of the current msn search not the "new coming ms search engine" but i doubt we'll see a big difference ... except ... maybe not even one single unbiased, unpaid, unmanipulated result page ...

powerstar




msg:1238095
 2:22 am on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>>If MSN or whatever the name of the SE is going to be, can actually produce clean un-spammed SERPs, then G should watch out!

Google will have to watch out that's for sure and un-spammed SERPs sure they will put PPC and PFI on top.

Receptional




msg:1238096
 3:06 pm on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

We've never been in any talks with Google about any acquisition thing in any way, shape or form," Gates told USA TODAY last week.

Do you think that maybe that implies they HAVE been in talks about putting Adwords on the site? It would be easy for the original rumours to be misconstrued?

Cartoys




msg:1238097
 7:49 pm on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I spoke to Look Smart the other day and he told me they have a contract until Jan 15, 2004 then after that MS is on there own.

pmac




msg:1238098
 8:17 pm on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

>MS is on there own. <

Hehehe......more like Looksmart is on their own.

BTW, welcome [webmasterworld.com] to WebmasterWorld cartoy.

nakulgoyal




msg:1238099
 10:53 pm on Nov 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Was all that NEWS Junk? Where did it originate? Has the author of the news already been flooded with How and Why's?

Sanenet




msg:1238100
 12:00 pm on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

[bayarea.com ]

From the Mercury News, by Dan Gillmore.

On Oct. 31, the New York Times reported that Microsoft had discussed a buyout with Google. [...] This week, USA Today quoted Microsoft's Bill Gates, who said such discussions didn't happen. [...]
OK, someone's lying here.

Any thoughts on what the truth really was?

Brett_Tabke




msg:1238101
 2:56 pm on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

From that same story:
[siliconvalley.com...]

that the Google leak had the smell of a high-end pump and dump scheme, in which venture capitalists and other insiders were boosting Google's prospects ahead of a public offering widely expected next year.

Sanenet




msg:1238102
 8:06 pm on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

Oooh! Google, the ultimate boiler room? ;)

nakulgoyal




msg:1238103
 12:46 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wonder, if this happens. Only one company rules the web.
MICROSOFT.

Softwares, Email, Search Engine(s)....what's left on the web for Microsoft to buy. :-)

Arouse




msg:1238104
 2:50 pm on Dec 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

I must admit the new google feel with the Florida update has certainly made me wish I was Bill Gates, with search results from Google now being useless in some respect, I would certainly be cracking the whip for my team of designers to finish MSN search.
What better time to release a new search engine when the old one has just become too greedy.

Sebass

Giacomo




msg:1238105
 2:08 pm on Dec 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

The NYT article [query.nytimes.com].

More news sources [news.google.com].

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