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Besides Google, Overture - who are good PPC's?
rightliner




msg:1225051
 2:45 pm on Aug 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Everybody,

I'm fairly new at this game, making modest income. I'm looking for decent: low cost: pay-per-click search engines. I'm not going to the Google's and Overture's yet, and Enhance Interactive isn't working for my campaign. Can anybody make any suggestions for good pay-per-click search engines? Perferably ones, that don't review my listings? I don't need much traffic, just looking for 10-30 click-thrus a day on a popular internet search theme...

thanks,

Pat

 

greenleaves




msg:1225052
 5:09 pm on Aug 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have seen some good ROI from:

Goclick,
7search,
searchfeed,
business.com,
findwhat (a little more expensive but more traffic than the ones above)

I have seen results, but not much ROI from Kanoodle and Enhance (ah-ha)

I used unsuccesfully xuppa and mamma. Both of these failed to deliver a single sale.

BTW, I used the same 10 sets of ads (health related) on all of the above mentioned PPCs. Remember that different PPC work differently in diverse industries. So what worked for me may not work for you.

rightliner




msg:1225053
 5:39 pm on Aug 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks greenleaves,

interesting, goclick, 7search, and searchfeed all work for me too. I also, kept me campaign exactly the same. I haven't tried business.com - now I will. Find What rejected to many of my keywords unfortunately.

Enhance (ah-ha) bombed for me, and Kanoodle didn't like my keywords.

Seems we have a lot of similarities... Although my campaign theme is completely different. Any other PPC's you use? that work?

thanks again,

Pat

luckychucky




msg:1225054
 3:58 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Business.com pisses me off:
It's not an auction scenario. There's no bidding--all clicks are US$0.40 each.
Ouch!

seth_wilde




msg:1225055
 5:09 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

"There's no bidding--all clicks are US$0.40 each"

There is bidding.. $.40 is just the minimum bid..

luckychucky




msg:1225056
 5:21 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

You say potato...

Bids starting at US$0.40 do not justify their CPC's for the majority of keywords in my trade.

(Although- thanks for the correction. it's been over a year since I cancelled my account. All I remember is 40 cents per click, that the gist of it)

greenleaves




msg:1225057
 5:27 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have found that even at 40 cents it is still a good deal for me.

The reall bargain with business.com is their directory. For 100 bucks you get a years link. I have ended up getting thousands of dollars ROI from one listing.

luckychucky




msg:1225058
 5:42 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I seem to recall there was some sort of additional inflexibility, like a high monthly minimum, and no right to edit your own keywords or descriptions-- some sort of fixed, dogmatic rules along those lines which morphed in my memory as a fixed 40 per click.

I agree about the directory. I'm in there. Definitely worth it. Business.com gets huge, spot-on relevant traffic, there's no question. If I were, say, paying over 40 per click already on Overture or AdWords, I'd be thrilled to do the same on Business.com. But <i>for me and my keywords</i> I haven't found it necesssary.

seth_wilde




msg:1225059
 8:11 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

"some sort of additional inflexibility"

There online interface only supports reporting.. you have to go through a rep to make changes (including bid changes).. Although this can be a pain they have been very accomodating for me.. I've even been able to have my listings removed from a partner of their's that I didn't like..

greenleaves




msg:1225060
 8:26 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

There is the difference, I have paid over a $1.5 a click on adwords, so 40cents ain't bad. Just a matter of different industries. Hey, some guy pay over $40 a click, so I guess all is not lost ;)

luckychucky




msg:1225061
 8:33 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just curious:
Can anyone here name any other PPC engine other than Business.com with a minimum monthly spend, and no way to directly interact with your user interface?

greenleaves




msg:1225062
 9:53 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

mamma.com

They worked horribly for me. No only did the traffic not convert at all, but the minimum for my industry was 0.65!. I got 0 sales from a 100 dollar deposit. Normally I get 20-35 sales with that money.

The mamma pricing can be found here https://clients.mamma.com/faq/classifieds/cat_examples.html. Although there are other prices.

ppcads




msg:1225063
 12:38 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mamma has been terrible for me, no volume.

Lycos is also bad, but at least I got some conversions from them

Findwhat is terrible for me, I think if you bid on highly competitive terms you will set yourself up for fraud.

7search has been good for me

Overture has been great for me

Adwords has been ok for me

Kanoodle is the worst search engine in my opinion

Ah-ha is the 2nd worst

Haven't tried goclick yet, heard some good things will give them a try

Compworld




msg:1225064
 1:23 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'd stay far away from FindNothing or Eh-ha. Massive amount fo fraud an proxy click thrus.

CompWorld

rightliner




msg:1225065
 1:33 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anybody have any luck at all with Enhance Interactive? They've given me tons of traffic and no sales!

WebStart




msg:1225066
 2:50 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have found Ah-Ha (Enchance) to be a bomb. I put in keywords and a link to one product, and one product only, among the 50 or so I sell, for a one month test. Not one sale. Got hits, but no sales. Fortunatly their click price is low -- about 9c US for my keywords. But no sales. So spent only about $50 in one month.

luckychucky




msg:1225067
 3:09 am on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just wondering about something:

I have a whole bunch of Enhance keywords at 3 per click. Many are in 1st position at that price, many lower. Whatever.

If I have hundreds or thousands of keywords going and they're farmed out all over Enhance's partner sites, could they be helping my PR, and might this be a valid factor in better SERPS...

...while at the same time sending me a sale once in a blue moon even from Enhance's wretched ROI?

Anybody care to weigh in authoritatively? I've been curious about this for a long time. Would like to know, as I'm otherwise ready to jettison the turkeys.

greenleaves




msg:1225068
 3:28 pm on Aug 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

PPC links never add to your PR. Your incoming links, which is the basis of your PR, is calculated solely on plain html links on either image or text. All of the PPCs I know use tracking devises on their links, so that google will not count those links as part of your PR. HTH :)

Eathan




msg:1225069
 7:37 pm on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anyone have any luck with Looksmart? I recently tried a $100 test with them (one URL, same words bid on elsewhere) and had rather poor results.

They burned through the "monthly" budget in two days and killed our margins (went from an average of +$1.02 profit per paid click to -$0.04). For one engine to drag the average down so far was a little shocking.

Anyone have better experiences...?

greenleaves




msg:1225070
 9:27 pm on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Looksmart for me was mediocar. It wasn't as bad as enhance and kanoodle, but it wasn't as good as goclick, 7search, findwhat, overture, adsence, etc... Just my experience

rightliner




msg:1225071
 9:38 pm on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Summary so far: Wow, so it seems that this is what the consensus is so far:

Good Pay-Per-Clicks:
1. GoClick
2. 7Search
3. Overture
4. Google Adwords

Any others? This are the pay-per-clicks that seem to be generally accepted as working. Any others?

luckychucky




msg:1225072
 9:45 pm on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I remember some kind of strangeness with Looksmart too...Another PPC engine lacking user access and control. My memory's a bit fuzzy but I seem to recall they pick your keywords for you(?), and there is no bidding or real budgetary control. They lay down the rules. Not a policy that's easy to sustain as a moneymaking idea, if their competitors pretty much let you write your own rules within reason.

Compare to AdWords & Overture which, although not perfect, continually update and improve their functionality (ie: not only basic stuff like click-cost bidding but broad/narrow keyword matching, geographic targeting, daily budget caps, user listing editability ++).

Bad Business Models 101: don't give customers what they want (force-feed them what you want instead).

Eathan




msg:1225073
 10:01 pm on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think Looksmart has changed things a bit. I was able to select my own words, etc, but reporting is a day behind and they seem to have a lot of partners pushing junk clicks.

I just purchased a business.com directory listing and must say I was impressed with their customer service. I left a message and they called me back within 5 minutes (more like 2 minutes).

greenleaves




msg:1225074
 10:34 pm on Aug 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

searchfeed

ROInutter




msg:1225075
 2:36 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

top4clicks is one worth trying - low cost, no bidding, and traffic comes from the major engines. Disadvantage is that you won't get much traffic from the main generic terms at the moment, but traffic from the more specific terms is excellent.

ppcads




msg:1225076
 12:58 am on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

You have to be careful with 7search, it can provide good return but if you bid for the top position for popular terms, you will get tons of fruad traffic.

Adwords has been steadily improving for me and I would put it ahead of 7search but still behind overture

Rossv1




msg:1225077
 1:15 pm on Sep 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I got a 'cold call' from Enhance yesterday...high pressure sales techniques and very little useful information offered. When I asked about click fraud protection, at first, he did not seem to know what I was talking about. (WHAT?!?!?!) After a bit of explanation on my part I was told "We have never had a single click fraud problem, so I wouldn't worry about it". His vague answers suggested to me that they have NO click fraud protection in place..

Instead of buying PPC from them, maybe putting their ads on my personal sites would be more better MUHAHAHAHA (clickity click click) ;)

luckychucky




msg:1225078
 2:05 pm on Sep 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

You have to be careful with 7search, it can provide good return but if you bid for the top position for popular terms, you will get tons of fraud traffic.

Hey ppcads, I'm not sure I understand you.

Do you mean to say you'll be alright with 7Search in terms of fraud clicks, as long as you just don't bid into the top positions--in other words, that there's scant fraud going on at the low positions, but there's lots of click fraud at the tops?

Please clarify. Thanks

babushka99




msg:1225079
 3:07 pm on Sep 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

How about Metrics Direct? anyone heard of them? its a company called 180 solutions. I have tried them. I see a spike in traffic, but if it is genuine or not? I dont know. Traffic definitely is there. I am leaning to the conclusion that this may be a fraud company (I may be totally wrong here). I think the best way to find out is if anyone else have used them.

rytis




msg:1225080
 3:35 pm on Sep 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would recommend small-PPC-lovers search Google for "companyname scam" ;)

Army of clickers in Russia etc are ready according to some spam I get.

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