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Msg#: 146 posted 6:49 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)


I am new to the whole Pay-Per-Click system, so please excuse me if some of these questions seem some what obvious or ridiculous. I am doing my dissertation on Internet Marketing (tactics, technologies, etc) based on a web site I will build.

I am trying to get some kind of rough projections for the costs involved in using PPC to generate leads, (as opposed to selling a product) i.e. the visitor phones in or emails. I would be very greatful for any answers to the following questions:

1. Which are the best PPC services to use, and what constitutes a good PPC service, UK related only?

2. What are the kind of click-thru percentages can you expect, I saw a post in this forum

Position 1 = 40%
Position 2 = 25%
Position 3 = 20%
Rest = 15%

Is this fairly accurate?

3. I used overture's keyword tool, and found that on keywords related to the web site last month there were over 4000 searches on these keywords. To get position 1 on the related search engines the cost was about £1.75. So assuming a 40% click-thro rate, that would be about 1600 clicks * £1.75 = £2800 for that month on those keywords.

Is this correct? Are the number of searches overture shows fairly accurate?

4. From click-thruís is there any kind of rough percentage of those that then go on and fill in a form or email/phone? I guess a lot does depend on the site design. Maybe the figures would be similar to that of subscriptions to a web sites newsletter?

5. Also is PPC bid management software necessary? Any recommendations?

6. Any other facts/figures/thoughts of relevance would be appreciated?

Many thanks, I will post the research for my dissertation when it is completed, it may be of interest.



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Msg#: 146 posted 7:03 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)


On point 3. the 40% is 40% of the clicks and not 40% of the searches. The real figure will vary wildly per sector, we work on around 7-10% so in the above example the 4000 searches would yield arounf 280-400 clicks.


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Msg#: 146 posted 4:09 am on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

Re: UK PPC engines. I'd try Overture and Espotting. Both are more transparent than google adwords, and you could use a simple bid management tool, if you like.

I use a software-based bid management tool to manage about 500 words. It works pretty well and was fairly inexpensive compared to the asp-model tools.

I agree with webdiversity that you should plan on 7-10% CTR for position #1 relative to searches. It can be more or less than that, depending on your search term and what your site is about. We buy our own company's name on overture and get a 40% CTR in the first position. So that's about as good as you'd get (searcher is looking for us, and they find us in #1 spot). I've also seen #1 listings have a lower rate, depending on how relevant the title etc. was.

The overture suggestion tool numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. They are not numbers to rely on for planning purposes. Even the people at Overture can't tell you where they come from.

Good luck to you...


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Msg#: 146 posted 3:56 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

Must say that I generally stick to Google Adwords - have found that they generate much more traffic, without it coming at a higher price per click.


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Msg#: 146 posted 9:35 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am not going to name names but has anyone other than me notice the big drop off in price per click that some of these big name companies are now charging. Very unusal. The company in my particular business dropped its ppc price from 35 cents to 05 cents.

This is across the board on many product lines. This is very unusual. Its like they got caught doing something wrong and are now paying a penalty for it.

Does anybody out there know the real reason in the big drop in ppc prices?


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Msg#: 146 posted 9:39 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

It's the time of the month......

Generally you find advertisers have a finite budget and tend to blow chunks of it at the beginning of the month and then find they have to coast at the end of the month to stay within budget.

It's certainly not a cunning ploy on their part.


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Msg#: 146 posted 10:28 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't think you understand. I am talking about them lowering all their min costs per click across the board. I am not talking about competitive businesses jacking up the ppc. The engines (popular ones) reducing their mins across the board!


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Msg#: 146 posted 3:55 pm on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

For a couple of the PPCs, this has to do with recruiting new advertisers. For a while, people were jumping into the market quite blind, and the bidding was totally out of control (ok, it still is in some markets - but people are starting to actually do targeted marketing over general visitors) and recently the number of people signing up for PPC accounts has slowed quite dramatically.

The move to lower the min bids was to recruit more people to start new accounts, as most of them have min monthly spends, so if you don't use all your money up, the PPCs still make some cash. And some of those advertisers, will turn into large spenders, once they have an account.

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