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Anyone burnt by Clicksor.Share you experience
Anyone used Clicksor PPC service before and got burnt?
chow123




msg:1228973
 8:35 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,
I'm very new in web based business.
I try to get some visitors and therefore using some PPC service.
I used Clicksor.com few days ago. Immediately I deposit $20 to test the PPC service. You know what, in 2 hours time, they burnt all my money!

I checked the webstat and found that in 2 hours there were more than 13,666 hits to my website but out of which 3,233 vistors belonged to unknowned source/invalid.

When I checked clicksor report, there were 3870 visitors. That's mean 3,233 out of 3870 (84%) are fraud clicks!

I might analysed it wrongly, but in 2 hours burnt all the money just too ridiculous.

I used Findology at the next day and no such event happened.

Anyone have the same experience as mine, please voice out.

Thank you.

[edited by: seth_wilde at 4:06 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2006]
[edit reason] no url drops [/edit]

 

wildbest




msg:1228974
 8:54 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I used Findology at the next day and no such event happened.

haha, well, findology are just as bad. How good is findology when it deals with sites from the stonediver family? Advertisers (goclick advertisers, sprinks advertiser....etc) you are wasting your money! Stonediver runs over 20 paid to search programs, and findology supplies xml feed to those programs! Do you know how "paid to search" works? People that click on your link do not care what is behind the link. They just want their credit point for they have clicked on that link...

It has been said before... many times. Incentivized traffic is a pure waste of advertisers money. You should use only 2-3 PPC engines - Google, Yahoo, and MSN when they come out of beta test.

[edited by: seth_wilde at 4:06 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2006]

highway51r




msg:1228975
 2:58 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

On Clicksor, I have a question:
Does Clicksor have the 'site-target' feature?
What I mean by this, is does clicksor have the same feature as bidvertiser, wherein the Advertiser can Control the sites their ads are displayed on?

Wildbest, I'm seeing yahoo ads on Many paid to read email sites now, it's actually quite common now. That's just the ads displayed on the ptr mainpages. The Real Traffic from ptr tho, with regardst y/o, is the new trend toward 'domain ads' running as paid ads at the ptr sites. These point to 'domain parkers', which are just a search portal page, Most of them are running either yahoo or kanoodle ads from the ones I've taken the time to investigate. The monthly page views on these 'domain ads' at ptr sites right now, is likely extremely high accross the totality of the ptr biz, as these ads are very very popular in the biz, they pay much better than the 2nd tier, so they are turning to bigger fish, lol.

Google seems to be more 'timid', not permitting the incentive sites to Outrightly Display their ads to public view like Yahoo, but I'd check my click logs if I were ya'll...
Last week, rofl, one cat took the google adsence code, and 'tweeked' it into a Perfect, rofl, standard banner size/shape, and then ran it as a paid-to-click page banner at a ptr site, lol. gotta luv innovation.
I'm 'reasonably' certain, g would Kan that acc el-Zappo, if they knew of it. G has dumped a Lot of ptr members/po's accounts this past year, so they appear to be fairly on top of it.

Disappointing to see so many overture ads running at ptr sites tho.
Sedo, one of the big domain parking outfits, Has Kanned the ptr sites, that help cut it back a Lot, but there are still a couple out there allowing it, and the 'domain ads' continue to thrive at the ptr sites.

an Overture click, for a ptr promoter, is Big Bucks.

I'm not saying that G and O don't Still Reign over ppc ROI, and they Likely Do.
But I'm reading tooooo many ppc forum posts of late, suggesting that O in Particular, don't permit their ads to be displayed on paid-to-read domains, which, umm, isn't the case, or someone Besides Me, needs to point out the dif to them, lol.

I do not 'mind', nor for that matter, do I much Care, lol, What these companies 'do'. If they choose to permit ptr traffic/exposure, that's fine with me, I just like to see an 'even playing field', wherein the companies Advertisers Know what they are paying for, in whole or in part. Just somehow seems reasoned to me.

ppc in 2006? my 2 c's. Stick with Site Targetting.
I've seen many posts these past few months, Outrightly Condemning Bidvertiser as a viable ppc advertiser option, as Bidvertiser Acknowledges the incentive domains Are Permitted to display their ads.
duuuuhhhhh? You Can Un-Select the domain, if you don't want the traffic.?... This up front Policy, IS the way for these companies to go.

ptr has been the Primary traffic source to the Entire 2nd Tier for Over three Years now, there's no 'news' here.
But when you look to the Left of That Text, and Find YOUR 4Buck Overture BID Sitting Right along Side of that text. well, rofl, it's Your 4 Bucks, Not Mine, I can Assure ya'll, lol.

so, after that lonnnng rant, I guess I have a Second question. Does Overture/Yahoo Also have the 'site target' feature available to their advertisers?

[edited by: seth_wilde at 4:11 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2006]

wildbest




msg:1228976
 3:51 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wildbest, I'm seeing yahoo ads on Many paid to read email sites now, it's actually quite common now...

No, it is not common as it violates YPN ToS! All incentivized clicks lead to cancellation of publisher's account. Yahoo are just not yet so good as Google in controlling their distribution network. Currently, all publishers banned from AdWords try to monetize thru YPN. But... once a scammer always a scammer. Sooner or later Yahoo will identify them and will also cancel their accounts. Then MSN will come live with their own PPC offer and that will be their last chance...

wildbest




msg:1228977
 5:00 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I suppose, one could 'ask' yahoo...

Why don't you do that?

[add.yahoo.com...]

highway51r




msg:1228978
 6:05 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why don't you do that?

Well, to answer your question.
btdt. Several Times.

The ads remain on the incentive ptr sites.

watchthis




msg:1228979
 6:00 pm on Feb 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Look, ask yourself one question.
Who uses clicksor, other than websites that have been banned by adsense. Im sure you will have your answer there as to why traffic is bad.

highway51r




msg:1228980
 8:43 pm on Feb 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Apologies to the op of this thread, for dragging it so off topic with this yahoo thing. I'll stop doing that with this post, just wanting to 'correct' myself, having started it.

I now believe that I was in Error to 'accuse' yahoo/overture of 'wrongfully' displaying there ads on paid to read sites.
It's there 'beta' publishers program. They DO permit them, my error.

And I've answered Another? here myself, via a 4 hr analysis of the ads being displayed accross a range of half a dozen ptr sites as well, which is 'Does Yahoo provide their advertisers the 'site targetting' feature, similar to the model bidvertiser has implemented?'. They DO, I'm Practically Certain, as the ads displayed on the ptr domains, are Well Suited for the target market, ranging from low cost ppc, to hype, to survey, ALL the stuff conversions are made of, in front of that target market.

My apoligies to Yahoo, the Yahoo rep Here in this forum, and the op of this thread, for my off-topic and somewhat erronious prior attempts at a contribution.

watchthis




msg:1228981
 2:31 am on Feb 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

interesting read.

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