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W3C - New Look To Style Section
Finally.....
Nick_W




msg:1202235
 5:24 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

[w3.org...]

Looks like there's some new content in their too. Sure beats the old look ;)

Nick

 

martinibuster




msg:1202236
 5:45 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

The "What's New" button doesn't work. :(

Clicking on CSS, then clicking on the "What's New" button on this page does work.

They have the quote from Jakob, and they're using anchor links for navigation down the page, but as far as usability is concerned, they could sure use a "back to top" link so that I don't have to keep scrolling back up to the top of the page.

This is definitely one for the Bookmarks.

[disclaimer]This is not a site review. Only nit-picking.[/disclaimer]

madcat




msg:1202237
 5:56 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

martinibuster- are you talking about the What's New button under local links? If so, it works when your not at the top section, so you could use it for a back to the top type button. If not, then I guess I don't see that link.

martinibuster




msg:1202238
 6:03 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmm...

The "What's new" button is at the top of the page, to the right.

How can I use it as a "back to top" button, if I have to scroll to the top to use it?

As I said before, the "What's New" content lives on another page: /styles/css/

And the "What's New" button works on that page.

Birdman




msg:1202239
 6:09 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Kind of funny how the turned corners on the links scroll while the links themselves are fixed.

madcat




msg:1202240
 6:21 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see what you're saying but I think it makes sense. In IE6 the links scroll with the page, making the what's new link (/style/) pointless. But in Opera 6 it works as expected because the menu is fixed.

martinibuster




msg:1202241
 6:35 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok.

Others are seeing something different than what I'm seeing. On the computer I'm using at this moment, I'm browsing with Internet Exploder 5.5.

So perhaps something isn't working for me the way it should.

Birdman




msg:1202242
 6:37 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Woah! I just viewed in IE5.5 and the top links are under the logo. They overlap the header: Web Style Sheets
home page

I need to upgrade my IE

hpche




msg:1202243
 6:49 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am using IE6 on Windows XP, and also see the What's New link at the top right. The whole right hand side menu is overlapping the text so it can't be read (Jakob Nielsen's name under the quote appears " Jakob Niels". Using Opera 7, the page is just a complete mess of overlapping text.

Key_Master




msg:1202244
 6:57 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I also see what hpche sees and I noticed the CSS in that page doesn't validate.

[jigsaw.w3.org...]

martinibuster




msg:1202245
 7:16 pm on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

:o

W3C doesn't validate? What is this world coming to?

madcat




msg:1202246
 2:26 am on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

It does seem like they could get it to validate, trying to practice what they preach.

idiotgirl




msg:1202247
 2:49 am on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

...And break up their content. With all the valuable information that site contains, the pages read like 25 x 100 acres of newsprint. It's rediculous. By the time I get to the bottom of a page I feel like alzheimer's has set in, because (I'm several minutes older by then) and I can't remember where what I wanted to read could be found within the page I just trekked through.

Yes, the fonts are large enough to see. Plenty big. And there's lots of it. All over the place, left-to-right, up-and-down, and through and through... forever.

I prefer the dictionary. I can turn the pages and find what I'm looking for much more easily. And it doesn't use tables, either.

rogerd




msg:1202248
 5:17 pm on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmmm, I'm going to have to order that mouse with the turbo-power scroll wheel... :)

bird




msg:1202249
 10:23 pm on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

<!DOCTYPE html SYSTEM "http://www.w3.org/Style/HTML40-plus-blink.dtd">

hmmm... ;)

BjarneDM




msg:1202250
 11:02 pm on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

well - if you browse the page with a browser that *works* 99% - like one based on the Gecko, KHTML or Opera rendering engines - you do get a fixed menu on the right that stays with you as you scroll down the page.

Safari gets most of it correct, but has some issues with the fixed menu
Mozilla doesn't display the highlighted boxes
Opera 6/mac has an issue with the background of the menu that doesn't extend all the way down behind the menu items

I'm trying to track down where those issues are.

It's a know bug in IE that position:fixed doesn't work - see here <snip> - *even* in IE6 :-(((

I guess you can't blame w3c to follow their own recommandations - and *use* it :-)

But the "what's new" link in the menu doesn't work, because they have made a coding error : the link says "new" while the target says "news" :-)

Now, I just have to find out how to experiment with all their alternate stylesheets :-))

I'll really have to take look at *just*how* they've done all their fancy things - there's a lot to learn here in looking at their code!-))

[edited by: Nick_W at 11:29 pm (utc) on Feb. 10, 2003]
[edit reason] No personal urls please [/edit]

BjarneDM




msg:1202251
 11:23 pm on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

the DTD is kind of a joke - try to follow the URL of the DTD :-)

If you've got a browser in which you can choose between stylesheets, there are 22 different stylesheets to choose between! This page *really* shows the power of stylesheets off : the *exact* same HTML code gives *completely* different results depending on the stylesheet you choose!-D

I can only say!WOW! :-D

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