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Do the "Multi Column CSS Templates" work in all modern browsers
Template found in SuzyUK's WebmasterWorld Repository

 1:10 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm using:
2 Column, 100% height, with Header and Footer
Using CSS-P and a "Faux Column Image" to create the full stretch
as in Msg 8 of [webmasterworld.com...]

I know that my site displays Ok with IE6.x, Firefox and from my sites logs Safari/125.1x. I'm not sure about IE for Mac or other MAC browsers? These users don't seam to navigate any further through my site and though their numbers are small, I hate to lose a potential sale.

Is it possible to have a CSS site that works across all modern browsers?



 2:43 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Basically - stuff the IE mac, it uses stuff older than IE5 in there, well the version which seems to be the latest on my brothers seems to.

80% of the sites he goes to looks differnet form anything else i seen.

On server with php,.net java/jsp i always right a pick up script for browser detection and direct to differnet style sheets to make sure my sites are as comptable with as many people as you can but tbh, you have to say "stuff you" at some point.

You cant accomidate everyone.

People with macs should be using either firefox for mac or mozillas mac focused browser, MS support for mac is very limited and flawed.


 3:42 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is it possible to have a CSS site that works across all modern browsers?

Yes, but it's not easy.

The tutorials SuzyUK provides are high quality and well-tested stuff, so I think you can assume they'll work reliably on everything back to IE5/Win, all Gecko browsers, Safari, and Opera. IE5/Mac is actually more standards-compliant than it's Win equivalent, but it does do some odd things that other browsers don't.

At some point you have to ask yourself just how important it is that every user gets the same experience. You mentioned that sites on your brother's Mac look different, but does that mean they look broken? Are they still useable and navigable and readable?

For me, that's the litmus test. I want my sites to look as identical as possible on browsers with a major market share, and to maintain readability and usability on others.



 6:26 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

People with macs should be using either firefox for mac or mozillas mac focused browser, MS support for mac is very limited and flawed.

(Mac people don't take offense, you KNOW what I'm about to say is 100% true.)

The problem with this is that Mac users are already defensive and don't respond well to such "suggestions." "Think Different." For sure.

They're also not too happy about the "oh well . . . it's just a Mac" attitude of most developers. I am not platform-prejudiced and own both, I have to agree. The solution is to stick with methods that work across ALL platforms, regardless of quirks and incompatibilities.

This frustrates me to no end because many of the cool things you can do with CSS blow up in a limited number of instances, MOST of which gravitate around ANY Macintosh browser, FF and NN included. NN for Mac is the "Acid test" of a website. You have no clue until you've tried it. You will see blank pages or "Unexpectedly Quit" errors for MANY combinations of perfectly valid code. Style sheets combined with certain levels of nested tables is the most common example that comes to mind.

You can say "oh well, it's only 1%" but there's a bigger issue: this 1% demonstrates a laziness. And that's not good. Explain to your paying customer why they lose one or two sales because of Macintosh compatibility issues.

This issue is close to heart at the moment as I'm working on and extremely complex project in which the paying customer sees the Internet via a 19" flatscreen connected to . . . .



 10:53 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Used a trial account at [browsercam] to see my layout on WIN, Linux and MAC platforms with many different browsers and version.

Looks like I'm going to have to buy a month on [browsercam] to try and fix the less than satisfactory results that I'm getting on some of the older MAC browsers.

I need to at least present a navigatable site and some kind of notice that my site would present better with another browser.

Cripes, the Toll Free telephone number isn't even visible on some of the browsers. There's no way for them to call and complain...

Even though its slightly less than 2% of visitors, just missing a single magazine editor/publisher researching product sourcing for an article would be far too painful of a mist-opportunity.


 11:33 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can't be casual about mac users. They are a minority, but it's an important one from what I have seen. Well-heeled, articulate, and often artistic (because of the traditional graphics capability). Often Decision makers. They are an important part of my market, I suspect.

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