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My Name Todd and I've Been off Tables for 4 Months Now.
Tables are only gateway code...

 5:41 pm on Oct 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Everyone sees the benefit and fights it at some level or another.

I learned CSS about 4 years ago the first time, hated it, and never saw the benefit...

I was hooked...on tables.
Lovely, warm, easy, nested, convoluted tables. After a few edits, validation wasn't even an option.

With the help of Nick_W, papabaer, DrDoc, and others I have changed my life with CSS. I am now lighter, stronger, and faster with my code.

I am oft tempted by my former addiction, and have even slipped in instances. Please just remember...one day you are back on tables...the next you have been coding <font> tags daily with 100k of html and are trashing the W3C for not "understanding". Don't let it happend to you.

This has been a public service announcement.

If you think you are someone you know has a problem...please keep coming back to this forum.
There is help. We can give you tutorials.



 3:42 pm on Nov 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes Yes Well done Heather for standing up to these css bullies,

The world would be in turmoil if we did not have tables

What would you eat off, put you drink on, rest your arm on the list is endless


 12:05 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm so afraid. Tremble. Tremble. Whimper. Sniff. OHHHH, aaarrrggghhhh, the pain, the pain. The horror, the horror.
Help me. It's so dark in here.......

Did you see that baby crawling on the ceiling?


 12:21 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

My name is photon and I am frightened of tables. I started right off the bat using CSS. I shudder when I have to edit a table-laden layout.


 10:46 am on Nov 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi everyone, my name is BlobFisk and I have not used tables for a page design in about 2 years.

I still use tables.... for tabular data.


 10:58 am on Nov 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

My name is ukgimp (not really)

I love the idea of 100% CSS and where I can I do. I do have a need for tables sometime, take for example at the moment I have to do a user feedback survey with radio buttons and tick boxes. I tried to use Guru Nick’s example


But I spent a large proportion of Friday buggering around with it to no real avail so a marriage of tables and CSS is the way this particular page is going to go along with a tag to make is accessible:

description="This table is for layout man! Leave me alone, I tried really hard. If you can show me how to do it or even do it for me I will gladly use no tables. My other site uses no tables…."


 11:14 am on Nov 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi, My name Is KILLROY.

And I just have to go out now and print myself a bumper sticker:
"My other site doesn't use tables!"

Thanks for the laugh!



 3:59 pm on Nov 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hello, my name is Mozilla/4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) aka Netscape 4.x. Tables are great for design. Don't listen to these heretics. Think inside the box people. The table created box. I love you. My friend the 1x1 pixel spacer image loves you. Here, I will give you one for free.


Just try it. You don't even need those extra worthless close tags. Use CSS... if you don't mind an eternity burning in hell!

Web Footed Newbie

 4:25 pm on Nov 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi, my name is Web Footed Newbie and, unfortunately, I had a relapse with using tables. But I promise I'll never do it again. It is just so easy to get, and cheap too.

I've gotta a lot of thanks to give to my CSS support group here, including NickW SuzyUK, DrDoc and all the others.

Shadows Papa

 4:38 pm on Nov 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Shadows Papa here - Shadow still uses tables - to sleep on, to jump off of when attacking the other kitties and to look cute from when he wants attention.
Shadows Papa, however, would like to use tables only to display merchandise, or to eat off of (with the use of <plates> of course)

Shadows Papa
<Shadow, get off that table now!> </papa spank!>

[edited by: Nick_W at 4:41 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2003]


 12:20 am on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi Atadams! Nice to see you here. Grab a cup of coffee and listen in; it's OK if you don't want to give up tables yet.

But you can make all the columns reach all the way down the page ... there are several ways to do it. For a demo of one, go to [positioniseverything.net...]

My name is fshagan, and I've been off tables for about three days.

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