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msg:1212778
 5:47 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi i just wanted to ask the opinion of the board on what web creating style or language is the fastest for someone who is opening your page...HTML, CSS, Xtml, whats wrong with old fashion html. Is there faster?

 

papabaer




msg:1212779
 6:04 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hello SuperSoup! Less code, quicker load times. Simple.

Realistically, if you insisted on the absolute fastest loading pages, you would use no styles, no font declarations, no tables or divs; you would opt for straight html: a header, a couple of paragraphs and a link or two.

If you are looking to embellish your page with graphics, text and layout styles, then an optimized .gif or .jpg file or two for the images (be sure to include the height and width of each image) and CSS to handle the appearance of the page elements and layout.

Less can be more... make your styles count. You do not have to declare everything. Work your styles efficiently and you will have a quick loading page.

My work prefernce is XHTML & CSS, but which ever you choose, planning is key to execution. Consider all the elements needed to create a particular page and then arrange the optimally.

TeddyBare69




msg:1212780
 6:09 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

From reading different posts throughout this forum I have found useing the <div tag and javascript allows text to show up while graphics are still downloading.

Ever since I first started programming applications to go fast I learned that perception is way faster than speed. If the user has something to do or watch while you are downloading or processing than they are less likely to think your computer system is slow.

So far the people that I have sent to my website over the different versions have said it is faster now. They don't realize it is only perception because they can read the text while the graphics are downloading.

What I don't know is how many people won't see my page because I am using style sheets and javascript?

tedster




msg:1212781
 6:45 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

> how many people won't see my page

Most of the world will never see our pages, not at all, and not ever, right?

So it's important to think clearly on issues such as this. The right question, IMO, is how many people WILL get to see our pages correctly.

Let's talk about an example - a site that gets 10,000 page views per day, and say that 98% of visitors see the page "perfectly" because it validates and it only uses HTML 3.2 feature set and no client side scripting at all.

Now assume it gets upgraded - new functionality is added via HTML 4.01, CSS and JavaScript. Many people appreciate this and the word spreads, you get links volunteering themselves. The search engine spiders gobble it up (because it's still valid code). And now you get 20,000 page views per day, but only 85% of those visitors see it perfectly.

98% of 10,000 = 9,800 good pv's
or
85% of 20,000 = 17,000 good pv's

Which do you want? In the first case, only 200 page views were defective. In the second case, 3,000 page views were bad. I'll still take the second case.

tedster




msg:1212782
 6:57 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

> perception is way faster than speed

A most important point.

I LOVE to place the page's primary content in an absolutely positioned div at the very top of the HTML. It comes roaring on screen within a second or two. No matter what else is going on from that point forward, the visitor has usable content and the feeling that the site is very fast.

TeddyBare69




msg:1212783
 7:24 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

That is definately a different outlook than I was thinking. Right now, if you took off all the zeros from your numbers you would have my visitor count. Just getting back in after 8 years has kind of put me behind the curve ball.

Depending on your market will also depend on if they really care how long it takes to download your site. When I was searching for programs to generate 3D graphics I would go to sites and get another cup of coffee while the site downloaded. I would wait because the only way to see the quality of the product was to see its abilities. If I were searching through an online auction for something to buy, 20 seconds to see each page is forever.

Above everything, if you don't know the people you will attract to your site, you don't know the most import design specification. Your customer.

papabaer




msg:1212784
 8:01 am on Apr 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Excellent, very excellent point Tedster! The added stickiness of good content presented creatively cannot be ignored.

By making a site more attractive and engaging while delivering quality content can result in a situation as you have described.

I know many already know my feelings regarding such issues... I know that the course I am following is resulting in a net increase of visitors... and return visitors.

Tedster... you really put it in perspective!

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