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Google Settles Class action Law suit.
venrooy




msg:1143835
 7:41 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't know if I'm allowed to post this - But -

I just received this email from my adword rep:

<snip>
Anyone else receive this?

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:53 pm (utc) on May 21, 2006]
[edit reason] please - no email posted on WebmasterWorld - please review tos - [/edit]

 

gregbo




msg:1143836
 8:30 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

There has been a lot of press on the lawsuit. Anyone who's concerned that they may be owed more money than the settlement allows should follow the news stories. The issue is also going to be brought before the US Congress.

TypicalSurfer




msg:1143837
 8:34 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

The suit isn't settled, it still needs a judges approval, there are entities asking the judge to not approve it. Do some homework on the issue before you decide.

the bottom line if the judge approves it:

30 mil cash to the lawyers

60 mil in credits to advertisers

There are many who don't believe this is anywhere close to being an equitable resolution, just a freebie to google.

mattb




msg:1143838
 2:34 am on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, we just received an email stating the same thing tonight.

inasisi




msg:1143839
 1:07 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

How much can we individually expect to get from this? My earlier post was deleted and so I am posting here again without quoting from the email.

markus007




msg:1143840
 1:23 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Its a phishing scam. I got a email saying to go to some site for more info on the settlement etc.

Garry4Ads




msg:1143841
 2:01 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I also got the email just now.

But looks like its worth nothing unless otherwise you have spent a lot on AdWords.

vincevincevince




msg:1143842
 3:37 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I was sent an email from an address at xmr3.com claiming I am "a class member in a class-action lawsuit in the Circuit Court of Miller County, Arkansas".

Objections have to be notified in writing by post, whereas this notice has been sent by email. Doesn't seem right as I want to object on the basis the settlement is going to cost me in the long term as Google will have to recoup losses via cuts in Adsense commissions. I'd like to know where they got my email address and what they are going to do to compensate me for the time involved in reading it.

<edit>I've been sent two - to different addresses</edit>

If this is a real 'legal notice' then I, for one, am going to do my best to cause trouble. $30 million for the class counsel?! That's enough to make me object in itself.

Fortuneaff




msg:1143843
 4:22 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ok,

So lets say you spent $100K on Adwords how much would you get from this settlement?

I imagine it won't be more than $60 if your lucky.

What's the average click fraud. Probably around 1% that means that your effectively losing $940 by accepting this, even at 0.5% your still losing $440.

Quite frankly most advertisers don't care about click fraud in Google because there is nothing they can do about it and you factor the fraud into your click price.

The phishing stuff is always weird. How come they got my email addresses? Why couldn't Google just send me the mail, why did it have to come through this other domain.

We need more information about this.

walkman




msg:1143844
 4:27 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I deleted it as soon as I got it. Not worth my time to fill all those forms--for the $0.35 I would probably get :)

vincevincevince




msg:1143845
 4:37 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have forwarded mine to Adwords asking them to verify the validity and relevance of that particular email. This kind of settlement doesn't seem very Google-style. I'd have expected them to make direct payments to Adwords accounts and cut the lawyers out of the chain.

poster_boy




msg:1143846
 5:51 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Quite frankly most advertisers don't care about click fraud in Google because there is nothing they can do about it and you factor the fraud into your click price.

I couldn't disagree more.

Powdork




msg:1143847
 5:55 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

They can't cut the lawyers out of the chain. They didn't initiate the lawsuit. As far as I can tell, it is a real email and the site at the other end of the link was not ready for the email to go out, cuz there servers can't handle the traffic.

AZEvil




msg:1143848
 6:23 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm pretty sure the email is bogus as it was sent to an email address of mine that has never had an AdWords account ;)

Powdork




msg:1143849
 7:02 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am now almost certain it is NOT a phishing scam. I did a reverse IP lookup and the all the domains listed on the server appear to be related and appear to be class action lawsuit related. The company involved, Gilardi & Co. is a player (though apparently not as large as they claim) in the class actions business.
xmr3 is a company that specializes in broadcast emails for reputable companies.
Of course, if they ask for any secure information I would change my assessment immediately
I received the email only at the correct address out of several dozen on my machine.

poster_boy




msg:1143850
 7:47 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

This email is legitimate, all.

Fortuneaff




msg:1143851
 8:18 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ok the phishing asside.

What options are open to us:

1. Go with the flow and some of us will get paid small amounts of money.

2. Fight it, how would we do this coherently? Suing people is time intensive and costly. Who would champion such an effort? Sempo, or some other body might be inclined to help but it would take some big wig getting involved?

Maybe the answer lies in understanding the scale of the fraud better. With this kind of information everyone would be able to see what was in it for them. Personally I'm of the opion at least 1% of all the clicks we recieve have some sort of click fraud but I do not have any hard proof of this.

Some friends of mine did do a study and found substantial click fraud though.

It'll be interesting to see where this goes to next.

Natashka




msg:1143852
 8:26 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I also got one, and the big question is: where the hell did they get my e-mail address from?! This is not the one I use for Google AdSense/ AdWords. My website doesn't have this e-mail listed as well. And it is not webmaster@blah-blah, i.e easy to guess. Only my friends know this e-mail! I usualy don't get any junk(spam) to this address. The message I got was sent by somebody who is on AOL. I am sure none of my buddies would forward me this message. I don't understand, who is sending this?!

Web_speed




msg:1143853
 8:34 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Very weird indeed

I received two emails. One to my special AW email box(only google has this address). The second email was sent to my wife's address (again, only google has this address).

I think they are legit unless someone hacked to the AW system and grabbed the entire clients database off course.

Why are they being sent from some third party domain still baffles me though.

[edited by: Web_speed at 8:35 am (utc) on May 21, 2006]

Bluepixel




msg:1143854
 8:34 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I got one as well.
They must have gotten it from google since I use that email for google adwords only.

vincevincevince




msg:1143855
 8:53 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Oops, Gilardi & Co's own site (gilardi.com) is not only on the same server, it's on the same IP Address. When it's back up again I want to have a serious word with them about sending notices by email but only accepting objections by physical post. It doesn't seem right that they can email me in the UK at only one address for virtually nothing but I have to pay quite a bit and take quite a bit of effort to purchase international stamps and post my objections to the US, and to multiple addresses.

<edit>I am sure there must be something that can be done about this case. I don't like being made a member of any action, class or otherwise, without asking to be. This shouldn't be opt-out and neither should my email be given to them (goes to read Google TOS and Privacy Policy</edit>

<edit>I have replied to their email notifying them that I am unable to accept or review any legal document sent by electronic mail and that I require them to send all legal documents by recorded post to my address in the UK.</edit>

[edited by: vincevincevince at 9:23 am (utc) on May 21, 2006]

markd




msg:1143856
 9:10 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

If this is a phish, I wonder how they got our email address?

Like may others here, we use dedicated email addresses for all Adwords accounts - therefore they are not used anywhere else on the web...

cjshu




msg:1143857
 9:30 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

The site www.clicksettlement.com does not appear to open.

I'm not opening that attachment.

CJ

vincevincevince




msg:1143858
 9:39 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

The attachment is safe, don't worry about it (if you got the same one as me). Considering all the half-dozen sites I could find on that IP are down, I think it's safe to assume that the site is down due to excessive traffic from webmasters worldwide.

I get the impression they really don't want people to object (giving only 30 days including postage time) and requiring a letter to be sent to all of three foreign addresses. Perhaps the dead website is all part of trying to serve documents but let people forget about it.

I've written a privacy complaint to Google as from the posts here it seems to be personal and business information provided by them which is being used. Google is only allowed to share our information with third parties to comply with a legal process - which a settlement is specifically not.

kapow




msg:1143859
 9:40 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

They must have gotten it from google since I use that email for google adwords only.

I just got 4 emails to 4 different addresses, each address is an ADWORDS ONLY EMAIL. I do things that way to identify sources of spam. However, in this instance I conclude only Google could have given these email addresses to the sender, therefore I'm sure it is legitimate.

The question now is: What is the best thing to do:
- Pursue it?
- Ignore it?

kensmith




msg:1143860
 10:22 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

If genuine this would seem to be a very serious thing for Google, so why is click fraud not taken more seriously by them? I know it cannot be stopped but they could at least enforce their own TOS as a start.

As I look around the internet I see nearly all of the TOS being brocken. What really pees me off is a webmaster on whoos site my adds appear signing all his posts to public forums "if you visit my site, please click the ads to help pay for the bandwidth".

Another excellent site I visit regularly has just been completely ripped off by a made for adsense site. Years of work and community input copied word for word.

Complaints to Google come to nothing.

Google search is slowly becoming unusable due to the number of made for adsense sites it throws up.

The general usefullness of the intenet is being eroded.

I would like to give Google the benefit of the doubt and say they are a victim of their own success, and the shear scale of AdWords use means that it cannot be policed.

However, I feel empires come and go, and this one will be short lived unless Google can somehow pull a rabit out of their hat.

If this email is genuine then maybe it is the shot in the arm that is needed, but then they must have been aware of it for yonks, with thing apparently changing for the better yet.

Giacomo




msg:1143861
 10:24 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

What is not entirely clear to me is: the attached PDF says that if I don't exclude myself (opt out) by mailing a signed letter, I won't be able to "sue, continue to sue, or be part of any other lawsuit against Google relating to the subject matter of this case". Does that mean that, if I don't opt out, I won't be legally protected from click fraud in the future?

If so, I think I will opt out: I guess I'm not anywhere close to being a medium-to-big AdWords spender, plus I don't believe I've been a victim of click fraud so far.

humblebeginnings




msg:1143862
 11:08 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't care if the mail is fake or real.
G enables me to advertise my products in a way no one else does. Why bite the hand that feeds me? I am sure G does everything in its power to deal with clickfraud and for now that's enough for me...

vincevincevince




msg:1143863
 11:35 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

the attached PDF says that if I don't exclude myself (opt out) by mailing a signed letter, I won't be able to

That's something I don't understand. How can I give up my rights to sue Google by not reading an email from a third party? Perhaps someone here with legal knowledge can explain how this company can take my legal rights away 'by default'?

Giacomo




msg:1143864
 12:39 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

That's something I don't understand. How can I give up my rights to sue Google by not reading an email from a third party? Perhaps someone here with legal knowledge can explain how this company can take my legal rights away 'by default'?

Could someone please clarify that? (I'm European and non-lawyer, so I have zero knowledge of US law regarding class action settlements). Thanks.

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