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Are you currently as happy with Adwords as you were last year?
bostonseo




msg:1151651
 6:40 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Simple yes or no question:

Are you as happy with Adwords as you were last year?

 

cline




msg:1151711
 3:44 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

A large portion of the no's are based on the performance of their campaigns. The world has woken up to the fact that search engine advertising works. In many sectors there are a lot more advertisers than there were last year. Since the number of ad slots is fixed, bids have gone up, and advertisers' ROI and volume down.

This should not be blamed on Adwords.

ronmcd




msg:1151712
 3:58 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

No, its not about prices being pushed up by competition. It's the conscious decision by google to remove the transparency that previously existed, in what appears to be a cynical attempt to increase revenue under the guise of improving quality. The 0.5% ctr rule ensured ads were "quality", otherwise noone clicked on them and they were disabled. Now quality ads - I'm measuring quality here by conversion - are hammered while large scale multiple serving fills up the ad slots, not new advertisers.

If the system WORKED as well as it did 1 year ago, regardless how much the cpc had increased, I'd be happy, Or at least I couldnt complain. Thats not the case.

elsewhen




msg:1151713
 4:07 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

A large portion of the no's are based on the performance of their campaigns. The world has woken up to the fact that search engine advertising works. In many sectors there are a lot more advertisers than there were last year. Since the number of ad slots is fixed, bids have gone up, and advertisers' ROI and volume down.

This should not be blamed on Adwords.

i wonder if a large portion of the few yes's are based on the performance of their campaigns. perhaps those advertisers have learned how to more effectively use the adwords system. adwords is complex and it takes time to learn how to maximize results.

these improvements should not be credited to adwords.

outland88




msg:1151714
 6:21 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

NO

Richard Overvold




msg:1151715
 7:30 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

NO! It's no longer a level playing field.

suzyvirtual




msg:1151716
 9:05 pm on May 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

no

pdivi




msg:1151717
 3:06 am on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

"what appears to be a cynical attempt to increase revenue under the guise of improving quality"

ronmcd has it exactly right. Anyone who suffered the April minimum bid hike, which was under the guise of a higher "relevancy" weighting, needs to take a look at who remains in the keywords that were affected. The April change was a blow to relevance...at least in my industry. Most of the niche players are gone. The only ads left are very loosely related to the search terms, and are run by companies very generalized marketing and very deep pockets (surprise!).

The change may make perfect sense from the standpoint of Google's profit, but that wasn't the question... The question was whether we are happy with Google, and my answer is a definite NO.

Israel




msg:1151718
 3:44 am on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

The only ads left are very loosely related to the search terms, and are run by companies very generalized marketing and very deep pockets

Pdivi,

You have it exactly right too. I noticed the same situation today in my areas.

Now I have nothing against dynamic insertion but when I use such it culminates in a relevant search. I wouldn't use a word that doesn't go straight to a particular product - only very specific terms that won't throw you on a page of nonsense.

Out of about 20 ads for one search, all but 2 were dynamic. Many weren't appropriate for the search query by a mile. That most certainly cheapens Adwords (not in cost, just in usefullness to the user).

If that's all users see eventually they will learn to ignore those Adword things at the top and right side of the page.

I'm hoping that in time, users will see through this and appreciate the handcrafted creative designed specifically for their search that assures them they won't need to follow with another search.

----

On a more positive note, with no action on my part, my inactives went from 9000 to 3000 in the last day or so. Anyone else?

----

More votes please!

It's heartening but still sad that many of the old-timers have voted "No". At least I don't feel alone in my dissatisfaction of late. I wish Google would reload a backup tape from a year ago ;)

Can the little guy/gal ever catch a break?

Sorry to ramble!

Israel

venrooy




msg:1151719
 6:06 pm on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

While I haven't used google for more than a year, I have done business on the internet for about a decade. And I can tell you that while Google is doing some crazy changes, what some of you are feeling is the normal March thru May slow down which happens almost every year on the Net. And every season, the doom and gloom songs come out. But just wait for a few months. Things always pick up again, and they seem to pick up every year more than the last.

Ozdachs




msg:1151720
 11:15 pm on May 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

No, not as happy. Down to satisfied from delirious.

Costs per click are up about 30% from last year for April. Still worth it, and still good business from our perspective.

As a Google user, I feel there are more off-topic ads on each page. Those dynamic, big box mass ad purchases clutter the screen.

jeowind




msg:1151721
 5:45 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

No

And that is the case even though my conversions & profits are about the same as last year.

I've managed to adapt to maintain the effectiveness of the ads. BUT, the pricing seems to be random and arbitrary. Too confusing for me to figure out anyway (and I dont consider myself to be a dummy).

Completely agree with a few previous posts, G is definitely aiming to please the big boys. oh well, such is life, big fish eat little fish...unless little fish evolves.

MLHmptn




msg:1151722
 7:23 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Bottome line, No. I'm sick of competing with MFA sites. Somebody posted a link on some thread here about the quality of adwords declining rapidly due to MFA and it's the honest to god truth. IT'S SICKENING! Before long adwords will be a thing of the past if Google doesn't think about it SOON!

It wouldn't even surprise me if Google themselves are making these MFA sites and driving up the costs of adwords. I mean after all if they click on your ad and then click on the ad's that surround yours that are MFA sites who wins?!

It would be nice if you could think you were using Adwords to compliment your natural listing but thats not the case. It blows my mind how some websites can have 3000 products about one particular type of item and they are sandboxed for years and are forced to use adwords.

Jon_King




msg:1151723
 10:47 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

This may be an eye opener to many here but AdWords is very much undervalued. Over the next few years you can expect a double or triple in the cost for a basic program in many niches. Why? The medium to bigger guys with significant ad budgets are just getting into the game. Again, you can compare AdWords to AdWords all you want and IMHO I think it futile. The comparison is AdWords to other media, what a company ad budget can bare and ROI.

M_Bison




msg:1151724
 1:36 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

YES.

...but only marginally.

We implemented our own fraud detection and conversion system and we now know which clicks are fraudulent and the exact conversion rate.

Suprisingly, there we are not that big of a fraud target, however, we don't advertise on adsense ads, just google search results.

Last year we had about 20 keywords. Last month we had 2, and now, having seen the ROI on 1 keyword, we only have one.

Also, the wording of the ad makes a big difference. Making simple changes made our CTR 2-3 more than it was previously, which increased our position and reduced cost, something that yahoo doesn't offer (only fixed bids with yahoo).

Sure, our CPC increased about 30-40% over the last 12 months, but it just means we need to be more careful and diligent with our adwords spending.

Quantam Goose




msg:1151725
 6:15 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Take a look at [webmasterworld.com...]

kidder




msg:1151726
 4:41 am on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

No

Not a chance - in our industry we are seeing lots of new competition. That's fine but I supect now we have more quality issues with fraud and bad quality clicks from content. We have been going 3 years now and seen lots of changes, they all seem to equal less clicks, less quality & more money going to google. Organic traffic rules! That's why G is busting a gut to make that harder to get....

Kiska




msg:1151727
 11:51 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes

DamonHD




msg:1151728
 7:59 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi bostonseo et al,

This has been an interesting poll so far, and possibly more mixed then many of us were expecting. Totally unscientific, etc, but interesting nonetheless.

At least this seems to demonstrate that we're not all paid-up members of the Google-cheerleaders or Google-bashers club.

Rgds

Damon

geobals




msg:1151729
 11:01 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

No

bostonseo




msg:1151730
 1:17 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

DamonHD,

Advertisers have spoken, and so far it's:

44 Google Advertises NOT as happy
13 Google Advertises AS happy

Am I saying this heavy percentage of NOT as happy advertisers is representative of ALL Adwords advertisers? Of course not. Like you mentioned, it is unscientific,,,however amongst this community there is a clear majority of advertisers not as happy.

Most of the replies have come from people who have used Adwords since the start, and because of that, I feel these numbers are even more reflective than if you asked every current Adwords advertiser.

My intention here was not to make Google 'look bad' - I was just inquiring what everyone else thought.

Thanks to all for participating.

whoisgregg




msg:1151731
 1:51 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

44 Google Advertises NOT as happy

Yet, they all are still advertising with Adwords and/or spending their time posting in an Adwords forum?

bostonseo




msg:1151732
 1:55 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

whoisgregg,

Yeah no need to get defensive. Again the intention of the
thread was to see what others' thought. I still advertise with Adwords, I'm just not as happy with certain aspects of the program as I was last year or 2 years ago, etc.

doctor gerlis




msg:1151733
 2:20 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes and I still advertise but I am very nervous about the future.

ronmcd




msg:1151734
 2:22 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

whoisgregg, just because people answer "no" doesnt mean adwords isnt the best advertising method, or that we arent making more profit using adwords now than 1 year ago. But I am not as HAPPY with adwords now - the system worked better and was more transparent a year ago.

wrgvt




msg:1151735
 3:40 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yet, they all are still advertising with Adwords and/or spending their time posting in an Adwords forum?

Just because we're not as happy with it doesn't mean we have to abandon it. I'm still making a profit with it, after making some changes to adapt, but I'm not making as much profit. I'm on target to spend about 20% less with AdWords this year than last as I move money into other advertising channels. Some of those new channels are providing a better ROI, so I may move even more money out of AdWords.

netmeg




msg:1151736
 3:46 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm one of the ones who voted "yes", but even if I'd voted "no" I would still be participating in the program, because my clients want me to keep them in AdWords, and it's all about what the client wants, not necessarily what *I* want.

whoisgregg




msg:1151737
 5:40 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

My question was defensive? I thought I was asking a question. Although, I would describe the multiple responses to my question as defensive. I wonder why?

Israel




msg:1151738
 7:39 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Whoisgregg,

I think your post was a little too terse, so people didn't take to it well.

You've got to realize we're not looking for a divorce from Adwords, just some improvements. There is reason to believe, according to AWA, that many of our comments make it into weekly reports given to Google management. Perhaps together we might affect a change, that's all.

Israel

ronmcd




msg:1151739
 10:18 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Although, I would describe the multiple responses to my question as defensive. I wonder why?

I dont know, I was just answering your question, but I admit I answered it cos you seemed to be questioning the motives behind No votes.

But Im really not sure what it is you are trying to say. Are you suggesting some here have a vested interest in answering "No"?

kidder




msg:1151740
 12:31 am on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Paying more and getting less is the real issue for us.

What ever the reason - new players, fraud, rule changes - it only seems to go one way. And of late it seems to get worse. Adwords should be simple to use and maintain not a time and resource consuming monster that it has become. We still use it but like most webmasters we can see the dark at the end of the tunnel, we are always looking at alternatives. Investing the same money in site and content development will take you a long way as far as we can see.

ThinkTank




msg:1151741
 12:46 am on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

no

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