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Google penalizes non-payers?
Adword cheat backfires!
Paul_B

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Msg#: 8074 posted 9:38 pm on Apr 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a client for whom I built a website. Then the client spent some budget on Adwords. After some months they decided to quit the campaign - which they did by not paying Google a few hundred dollars outstanding. So G closed down the account which was never paid

They then spent some more budget on a SEM outfit. Despite their site being well optimized, they have actually lost position until now only entering their domain name gets a ranking.

Is it possible that Google are penalizing them for non-payment of their Adwords account? The site has been up for about 14 monnths.

 

treeline

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Msg#: 8074 posted 10:16 pm on Apr 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, that would be just desserts.

I wish the world worked so elegantly, but it generally seems the one hand of Google doesn't know the details of what the other is up to. So, I doubt it.

Of course, karma is an accumulative sort of thing, so someone who acts this way likely does so in many little ways, leading to bad consequences. Which one was the straw that broke the camel's back? Any one of them, might as well call it this one.

ScottG13

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Msg#: 8074 posted 5:52 pm on May 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

It wouldn't really surprise me. I've never thought about this, but it makes sense. In theory, a company that does not pay their bills is not a company that a searcher would want to find and do business with. I can see Google automating a system that throws domains into the black list when bills go unpaid after so many days. Clever.

LifeinAsia

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Msg#: 8074 posted 6:00 pm on May 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Have them pay their bill and see if it makes a difference. Even if it doesn't improve their rankings, it will increase their karma balance.

humblebeginnings

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Msg#: 8074 posted 6:12 pm on May 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

If I had a customer who didn't pay his bills, I would stop providing him with products and services.

The Google search engine is a service Google provides and it is up to them to decide who can use it and who can't use it. So if it was indeed a decision of Google to exclude your client from search engine results, I would fully understand. But I have no idea if Google actually does things like this...

DamonHD

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Msg#: 8074 posted 6:31 pm on May 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Not paying a bill is a pretty clear indication of black-hattery and dubious value to end users.

G may regard this as an expensively-acquired but fairly solid data point about an entire set of targetted landing domains and domain owners, etc, and indeed login IP addresses. I would. It should be a longish-lasting taint too, though with some allowance made for the possibility of cock-up rather than deliberate sin, and of deliberately trying to blacken the name of a third party.

Rgds

Damon

Paul_B

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Msg#: 8074 posted 6:32 am on May 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

I can't get my client to pay (easily anyway), as Google deleted the account after about 6 months.

All I'm getting is flak from the client as to why they don't do better with G. They are still there, but rank poorly. It's as if non-payment of G's account is part of G's algorithm...

treeline

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Msg#: 8074 posted 2:50 pm on May 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sounds like they're not going to pay you next.

Just tell them the truth:

Google's motto is "Do no evil." While there's some question of their ability to live up to this, many parts of the company are trying. Not paying for services received is evil, consequently Google's search results doesn't "do" your client's pages.

Now, for a large fee, definitely IN ADVANCE, you can pay off their debts and improve their karma.

LifeinAsia

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Msg#: 8074 posted 3:20 pm on May 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can't get my client to pay ...
All I'm getting is flak from the client as to why they don't do better with G.

Tell your client bluntly that the reason he doesn't do well is because he never paid his bill to Google. So you don't want to hear another word about it until he pays Google. Period, end of discussion.

I also agree with a previous post that his history of not paying bills for services rendered doews not bode well for your payment- make sure you get paid in advance.

skibum

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Msg#: 8074 posted 5:27 am on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I doubt not paying AdWords bills would affect the organic results. If you tell them that they'll do better in the organic results if they pay their AdWords bill, they pay it, and nothing changes, then they'll really give you grief.

I had one client (law firm) and they just didn't have time to deal with the Internet stuff. Think the credit card they had on file expired and there was a $50.00 balance or so that couldn't be charged.

They're still doing great in the organic results but may have since paid their bills.

oldpro

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Msg#: 8074 posted 5:18 pm on May 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Remember...google at its core is a data miner. No we don't know for sure whether non-payment of an adwords acct has any effect on organic listings, but if I were a betting man...I bet it does.

jtoddv

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Msg#: 8074 posted 2:27 am on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I pay my bills and still got kicked in the teeth.

vincevincevince

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Msg#: 8074 posted 2:09 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can't get my client to pay (easily anyway), as Google deleted the account after about 6 months.

Google will refer the client to debt collection eventually, so the best option is to contact Google Adwords directly about the payment. They will be more than happy to sort it out. Tell them that the client was taken into hospital for months and the card got maxed out with all the monthly bills (or something)...

ogletree

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Msg#: 8074 posted 2:41 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well I guess I should open up a ppc account for a site that does not already have one then not pay the bill and see them fall.

wildbest

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Msg#: 8074 posted 8:27 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Have them pay their bill and see if it makes a difference. Even if it doesn't improve their rankings, it will increase their karma balance.

So, the bottomline: good karma balance = empty pocket?! :)

LifeinAsia

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Msg#: 8074 posted 3:24 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

So, the bottomline: good karma balance = empty pocket?! :)

Correct- have you ever seen a Buddha picture/statue with pockets?

Nuttakorn

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Msg#: 8074 posted 10:41 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is Google ban for non-payers for life? It seems like that. Do you have any suggestions?

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