| 12:48 am on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Good news for Adsense publishers ;)
| 1:36 am on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
What does your grandmother sell?
| 2:47 am on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
obviously more revenue for google but the big picture question is whether the advertisers will be better off. On one had, simplifying the process eliminates the need for middlemen on simple campaigns. However, are people who need such a simplified interface truly able to design and target adequately their clicks? I'd be willing to bet that the overall CTR, CPA, and any other measure of effectiveness would be significantly lower.
| 6:31 am on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
If I were a newbie who just wanted to test the water bofore going into the complex stuff - this option would be a godsend.
After using adwords for years - I still only use about 10% of the available features - perhaps I am lazy/stupid - but I have a life and spending hours pouring over adwords is not an option.
| 12:42 pm on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
What I'd be interested to know is whether the ads are shown on the content network? As this option is turned on by default in the 'normal' adwords account, I presume that this would also be the case for this starter account?
| 4:32 pm on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Is this limited to the US as I can not see it here in the UK
| 4:33 pm on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
Can I open multiple starter accounts?
| 5:55 pm on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I'm glad to see an ongoing discussion of Starter Edition going on here. Here are brief answers to your questions so far...
|...(there is no keyword level bidding, so one must assume that the keywords are running under the 'budget optimizer). |
Correct. More info here, from the FAQ:
Why can't I choose my own CPC in Starter Edition?
|...(No idea how large driving distance is, and if it changes for large cities compared to the countryside). |
A very good point. The answer is always 100 kilometers - and this info will be added to the FAQ shortly.
BONUS INFORMATION: By the way, did everyone know you can go to Google.com and enter "100 km in miles" into the search box, and get this info:
'100 kilometers = 62.1371192 miles'
|What isn't listed anywhere (that I've seen) is how these accounts will figure into the normal ad serving algo. |
Starter Edition is a simplified interface, but the ads are treated exactly like ads from 'Standard Edition' accounts. They must meet the same guidelines and policies, the same algorithms apply, and so forth.
|What I'd be interested to know is whether the ads are shown on the content network? As this option is turned on by default in the 'normal' adwords account, I presume that this would also be the case for this starter account? |
Yes, they are, and you are correct. More info below from the FAQ:
Where will my Starter Edition ad appear?
|Is this limited to the US as I can not see it here in the UK |
Starter Edition is currently available to all US users - and will be available to all users, globally, before too long.
|Can I open multiple starter accounts? |
Starter Edition accounts are no different in this respect than Standard Edition accounts. So, same as it ever was. More info here: [adwords.google.com...]
For more info on Starter Edition, please follow this link to the Starter Edition FAQ:
| 6:08 pm on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
This looks like a Really Bad Idea to me.
It gets people started out in the WRONG direction. For example, how many of you use Budget Optimizer?
Show of hands? I'm waiting. :)
Why include mileage-based geographic targeting? Are these advertisers going to be aware of the severe limitations of this feature?
And I'm not sure why Google is making an outreach to more small/naive/unsavvy advertisers than they already have (with the $5 price of entry). They support these users horribly as it is, as evidenced by the constant posts here and (particularly) on Adwords forums from advertisers who seemingly can get no support of any kind from Google.
This looks like rope-a-dope.
| 10:01 pm on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I disagree. Someone with a small local business who is planning to spend $200 a month can't exactly justify the cost of hiring a consultant to create and maintain an AdWords account.
The location-based ad space still seems relatively unused for most markets. I rarely see local ads for even the most obvious searches (plubmers, etc).
Even an idiot could bring in relevant local traffic for cheap with this tool.
| 11:45 pm on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|The location-based ad space still seems relatively unused for most markets. I rarely see local ads for even the most obvious searches (plubmers, etc). |
Have you tried this feature? Did it work well for you? Are you reaching customers in the targeted area?
There are deep flaws with this approach. IP-based geo-targeting is an art, not a science, and a murky art at that. AOL users all appear to be in Virginia, for example.
Maybe there's a good reason why you are seeing few geo-targeted ads.
Comments I've seen here and on the Google groups suggest that success at geo-targeting comes from a combination of this and including city names in your keywords - or just drop the IP-based geo-targeting altogether.
I'd agree with you if it were based on user-provided settings. But in the case of Adwords, it isn't. Few search users have Google accounts anyway.
|Even an idiot could bring in relevant local traffic for cheap with this tool. |
I think this is what Google would like people to believe. Thus my rope-a-dope comment. "It's so easy, any idiot could do it successfully." You really believe that?
| 1:45 am on Mar 18, 2006 (gmt 0)|
You can't afford not to have a properly managed account that has measurable ROI.
Most of these accounts will eventually be roadkill.
Or, they will spend very carefully... "doing less of what they came here to do: advertise."
Worst practices. And keeping the fiction going that any mom & pop should be able to do this by themselves with minimal effort.
It isn't so. Anyone can create an account and lose money on it.
*Claiming* AdWords is simple doesn't make it simple.
| 6:18 am on Mar 18, 2006 (gmt 0)|
I think this is a good idea.
I have a friend who wants to start using adwords. He does kitchen renovations in one city. Based on estimates I've done for him, he'll spend no more than $50/month - but that $50 could be very profitable for him.
Sure, he could get all fancy and pay me a few $100 and I'll get his spend down to $35/month. But where's the sense in that?
Got another friend who is spending about $25/month, I manage his account as a favour. He gets about 1 lead a month, and has generated several thousand dollars in revenue. He thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread. If he could spend more money, he would!
For these people, the starter account is perfect.
| 7:22 pm on Mar 20, 2006 (gmt 0)|
|Have you tried this feature? Did it work well for you? Are you reaching customers in the targeted area? |
Yes, geo-targeting works quite well for us. We usually have lower CPC and higher conversion rates on these campaigns. For some of our more competitive lines of business, locally targeted campaigns are the only ones that show a decent return. It depends on what you're selling.
However, feel free to remain skeptical. Then I can continue to enjoy cheap clicks.
| 5:27 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)|
The issue isnt about making the adwords interface/set-up/maintainance simpler. Its about advertising cost and ROI, and like some people here, I dont see this benefiting small and medium advertisers much.