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Need some motivation.
holdem8




msg:1136131
 8:17 am on Mar 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi..

I am relatively new to Adwords, about 6 months and I have read many ebooks i.e. Adwords-123, GoogleCash, Googleprofits and researched lots of other online sources on Adwords. I was always inspired by the sales proof that ebook marketers show on their sites... 79 sales, 100 sales, etc per day. Their Clickbank sales page is like $1,000 - $2,000 worth of daily sales.

As for me, I have spend thousands of dollars in Adwords but I can hardly break-even. Most of the time I am losing money and I am having second-toughts now.
I noticed that most of the proof were dated 2003, 2004 but I have not really seen the latest, such as March 2006.

Today, with the highly competitive landscape in Adwords, are $0.10 or cheaper keywords still pulling in more than a thousand dollars worth of daily sales? Also, are there anyone getting like 200%-300% returns on their Adwords campaigns, daily?

I am struggling a little and I would need some inspiration that PPC marketing still works and money is still being made using Adwords. Thanks in anvance, guys!

 

sore66




msg:1136132
 8:50 am on Mar 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

The adwords scene is over. Move on. There's no money to be made here.

Adam_T




msg:1136133
 1:08 pm on Mar 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

The adwords scene is over. Move on. There's no money to be made here.

LOL! It completly depends on your product and market, some areas have become so competitive they are pointless ventures. What I will say is we consistently make good return on investment across all the product lines we shift through AdWords. We always evaluate the client, his product, and the feasibility of running before we run however.

inbound




msg:1136134
 2:08 pm on Mar 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

The replies you get on here may not be that motivational as you will get one of the following:

People telling you not to bother (as they don't want more competition)

OR

People telling you it is worthwhile but not giving specific advice (as is the nature of the forum). This leaves you in a bad position of knowing money can be made but you are not any closer to making any.

As for the comment I would make; people do make good money using AdWords but many others are in your position.

Our ROI is in the range you asked about, however we do that on low volume terms and as part of a business that does not rely on that income. If we had to rely on that income we would probably find a another way to replace it with a steady stream of cash (retainer work etc).

Good luck.

holdem8




msg:1136135
 3:16 pm on Mar 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks Inbound,

I guess, there is still a small amount of people turning in profits from Adwords. I have read great techniques in this forum on how to profit from Adwords, the clickthroughs were the clear indication but there is not much conversion. I am assuming it is click fraud or some other problems.

I have had good conversions from Clickbank products last year but this year its almost downhill. The competition is very intense if i found a keyword or related niche keywords that convert well, it will be lost to competition within days. I am suspecting that the owner of the programs are under-cutting their affiliates because they will know exactly what keywords are suddenly converting and they would rather have the full 100% price. Who wants to cut 50%-75% to affiliates if they can have the 100%, and they have all the immediate data to the best-converting keywords.

Well, its just a thought. Any opinions?

poster_boy




msg:1136136
 4:04 pm on Mar 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I guess, there is still a small amount of people turning in profits from Adwords.

Holdem, don't give up! There are LOTS of people and companies making an absolute killing at Adwords. In fact, there aren't many online channels these days that come even close to the potential of Google. Search is king in this business and Yahoo and MSN are still inferior by far.

Now, some affiliate programs are highly competitive or leave too small a margin to ever be highly profitable... but there are many out there. There are also many creative ways to distinguish yourself - oftentimes, the most creative affiliates that I know of do the best. An affiliate can move much faster than the program owner in many cases - some owners look to their affiliates for innovation.

I am suspecting that the owner of the programs are under-cutting their affiliates because they will know exactly what keywords are suddenly converting and they would rather have the full 100% price.

The program owners will definately want to control the primary ad in most cases, but - even if the affiliates are shadowed - there's a lot of business left after that ad. That's the beauty of Google - plentiful traffic.

My advice: Look closely for your unique niche, be creative, test!, frequent this site like crazy, spend more time than the next guy and, trust me, you'll do nicely.

Good luck.

subject98




msg:1136137
 5:30 am on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you are a direct affiliate advertiser (without your own website), check your partner company.
most of them have many leaks.
If the company you partner with has one of the following think twice.
-Be sure if they have livechat/liveperson that they the 'live persons' are not again affiliates by themself & that your tracking ID is implemented.
-Some companies have leaks by extra links to mirror websites with the same content.
-Phone number without tracking ID is killing for affiliates. around 30-40% of the visitors do Call if they see a phone number.
-Coupon Code at checkout., some of them have only couponcode if visitors go without your tracking ID, they will leave the checkout process to check for a coupon.
-Lastminutes/laststock only via phone.
I have seen it all, and ever worser examples.
Success

gopi




msg:1136138
 8:50 am on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> The adwords scene is over. Move on. There's no money to be made here

LOL, i wish everyone would give advise like this :) .

Seriously i got fully into adwords only from 2005 jan after frustrated with SEO and i am doing good...I believe there is still money to be made even though most of the low hanging fruits are already taken!

holdem8




msg:1136139
 9:31 am on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks a bunch for the feedback! I was a little frustrated because I started marketing lots of Clickbank sites and losing money. I tried everything I learnt and initially it worked but after less than a week, sales will be ZERO again.
This got me wondering what is wrong and I found out about link hijacks, click frauds, etc.

Also, I notice lots for click fraud especially for keywords that are the program name itself such as rich jerk, googlecash, errordoctor etc. I believe most people who started out marketing do not have a website and they send traffic directly to the program itself. Also, because Google allows only one position for the same URL, most affiliates would want to fight for the one place, thus resulting in click fraud.

Later, I stopped buying those keywords and went for niche markets instead. Conversions will be good for a few days, and then it will be back to Zero. Worse is, there will be suddenly many clicks (after a few days) and zero conversion.

I have a little better luck with CJ though. Anyway, guys,.. the teachings have been absolutely good and I will definitely benefit from it, esp. affiliate leaks by subject98. Thanks again!

Quantam Goose




msg:1136140
 3:10 pm on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think the adwords ROI has seen better days. In my case some adsense revenue offsets adwords cost. Without that, adwords woud at best, be a break even. Watch out for MSN search. I am enrolled in their beta, and their control over ads is much better. And like everything else with Micorsoft, they are late to the game. BUT, they have a tendency to be incredibly persistent. My prediction is that MSNSEARCH is going to give Google a serious run for its money.

[edited by: eWhisper at 6:26 am (utc) on Mar. 12, 2006]
[edit reason] Pleaes don't drop links. [/edit]

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