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Does automated ad serving use conversion %
flipper21

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Msg#: 7216 posted 4:41 am on Jan 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I was wondering if you allow goog to automatically optimize multiple ads for you, does it take into account the conversion ratio for each ad or does it just look at pure CTR? Also, looking at CTR, does it look at just search CTR or both content and search CTR to calculate how often google will show one ad vs. another in the same adgroup?

 

DamonHD

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Msg#: 7216 posted 10:54 am on Jan 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

AFAIK this only uses CTR.

Indeed I've suggested to G/AWA a few times that some things (such as the Budget Optimizer) might often (not always) be better driven by conversion than click-through as a better measure of success.

Rgds

Damon

jtara

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Msg#: 7216 posted 10:55 am on Jan 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

It doesn't KNOW conversion %.

Google Analytics is essentially a completely seperate system. It was a recent acquisition of theirs.

It's no different than any third-party tracking system. It just happens to be owned and run by Google.

Automatic serving uses CTR. Period.

flipper21

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Msg#: 7216 posted 2:41 pm on Jan 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the replies... so does it take into account search, content, or both ctr % to figure out which ad to serve in an ad group?

It would be a great feature if google could take into account conversion tracking, since some ads might have higher ctr% but worse conversions because of the ad text, etc.

jtara

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Msg#: 7216 posted 4:30 pm on Jan 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

It would be a great feature if google could take into account conversion tracking, since some ads might have higher ctr% but worse conversions because of the ad text, etc.

Not gonna happen on this planet.

Google wants to optimize their income, not yours.

DamonHD

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Msg#: 7216 posted 5:20 pm on Jan 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi jtara,

1) Conversion tracking is nothing to do with Urchin AFAIK, and I get a "cost per conversion" column which G could optimise for. (*How* they do so is their problem!)

2) G will get more trade and more money if they can convince advertisers to spend more IMH. One way may be to optimise for the advertisers' conversions rather than CTR in order to increase flow/volume. Many, many businesses work by increasing flow, sometimes by dropping percentage take. I don't see why AW need be different.

Or maybe I completely misunderstood you on both points! %-P

Rgds

Damon

Israel

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Msg#: 7216 posted 6:24 am on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Indeed Damon, Google conversion data is driven by Google's own code that you can put on some page on your site at the point where you're sure you've made a sale.

It was developed by Google and has been around for some time and is already taken into consideration by the stats. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch for Google to consider conversion data when optimizing ads rather than just the simple CTR.

It's NOT a third party product or "recent acquisition".

Jtara has this confused with the new Analytics product which is not what the original poster was asking about.

Israel

jtara

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Msg#: 7216 posted 10:38 am on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the clarification. Mea culpa.

I stand by my "not in this world" comment, though... :)

Israel

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Msg#: 7216 posted 8:17 pm on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Flipper had a great idea. Go and post it in the "Google Adwords Features I'd Like to See" thread, Flipper.

I'd say the idea has an excellent shot of coming into fruition at some point in the future (with an option to go by CTR or Conversion, of course).

Go for it, Flipper!

Israel

flipper21

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Msg#: 7216 posted 1:16 am on Jan 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Isreal, I just posted it over in the features forum, thanks for letting me know about it.

Does anybody have an answer for my other question, which is does google take into account ctr% for search only or CTR% for both content and search when choosing what ad to show in an adgroup?

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