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Keywords getting leaked?
Or just strange coincidence?
pmkpmk

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Msg#: 6818 posted 4:27 pm on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

A friend - newbie to AdWords - asked me for some help to get started. In his niche there was only one advertiser already there, and they focused on different areas (yet the keywords seemed to be the same).

I spent some time adjusting his account, implementing a few techniques I learned over time, refining here, trimming there. It took about 10 minutes for the changes to propagate through AdWords, and finally the ads showed up as desired.

But not only his and his competitors ads! Now, all of a sudden a new scraper site (Amazon-aff, AdSense and eBay-aff) showed up too!

Coincidence?

 

Sanenet

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Msg#: 6818 posted 4:48 pm on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well... once you started bidding on the new keywords, I assume they'd start showing up in the "suggested keywords" listings.

shorebreak

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Msg#: 6818 posted 10:11 pm on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

That *is* strange, hope you find out the cause.

ronmcd

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Msg#: 6818 posted 11:21 pm on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

heh, Ive also seen this, a while ago now, I tried to convince myself it was just a coincidence. Not so sure.....

I think it was an ebay ad I saw within minutes of me using a keyword with no competition, obscure word that made no sense in the ebay ad copy.

wedouglas

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Msg#: 6818 posted 1:36 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have some ads that when I put mine up, they trigger atleast 5 ads... no idea why.

AlexMiles

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Msg#: 6818 posted 1:45 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Don't forget that a lot of Awords advertisers actually work inside Google. Who knows what deals they've made?

ronmcd

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Msg#: 6818 posted 12:07 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

It definitely sounds like someone (inside or outside) has a method for automatically generating new keywords based on any new ads which appear. I dont know if someone clever has maybe written something using the API?

But does seem like the only way to get this info would be from the inside.

pmkpmk

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Msg#: 6818 posted 12:11 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, it seems not all but only about 50% of the keywords have new ads coming up simultaneously with "my" ads.

I would believe in a coincidence if it would be an on-topic site. But it being a clearly scraper site makes me wonder. Yet again something automated would have taken ALL the keywords?

ronmcd

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Msg#: 6818 posted 12:50 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yet again something automated would have taken ALL the keywords?

maybe it just doesnt work properly :)

AdWordsAdvisor

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Msg#: 6818 posted 10:18 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

One thing to keep in mind: as a rule, it's not safe to assume that when you search on a keyword, you are seeing all the ads targeted to that keyword.

It's not unusual at all for advertisers to budget so that their ads show only occasionally, or even infrequently. For example if an advertiser has a suggested daily budget of $100.00, and an actual daily budget of $15.00 their ad will show approximately 15% of the time over a 24 hour period.

Lots of advertisers also pause ads Friday night thru Monday morning, or after 6:00 pm on business days, and so forth.

AWA

ScottG13

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Msg#: 6818 posted 2:37 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

AA, you didn't really answer the question. Are their arrangements to automatically populate a keyword niche with the garbage ads (Amazon/Ebay/Scraper) once a legit advertiser enters into it?

pmkpmk

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Msg#: 6818 posted 3:42 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

You really think he/she will answer THAT?

The simplest explanation to all that eBay AdWords-Spam is that eBay gets premium data on either search-queries or keywords directly from Google. But I guess this will be heavily denied.

AdWordsAdvisor

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Msg#: 6818 posted 3:43 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Are their arrangements to automatically populate a keyword niche with the garbage ads (Amazon/Ebay/Scraper) once a legit advertiser enters into it?

No, ScottG13, there are not.

AWA

shorebreak

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Msg#: 6818 posted 5:11 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Don't forget that eBay is a top ten search engine in its own right; I think they get something like 40-80M searches/day on their own site. Given that, it's possible they just monitor to see what new ads are on Google/Yahoo and then cross-reference with their own searches to see what new keywords they should be going after that they weren't previously.

Same thing goes for Shopping.com, which they now own.

ronmcd

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Msg#: 6818 posted 11:52 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I dont think theres any way ebay are getting data from google, most of the ebay ads are NOT ebay: they are affiliates.

My suspicion is just that someone has worked out HOW to do this, not that theres some great conspiracy going on.

Leosghost

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Msg#: 6818 posted 12:01 am on Nov 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

As AWA is here perhaps heshe can tell us if heshe will be speaking here for this [webmasterworld.com...] ebay competitor idea if it ever gets up and running ..

And even (as google guy doesn't want to speak on the subject )raised in another thread of who 's bright idea it was to run adwords for soap etc on the koran pages in the gbooks site?

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