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Site Targeting: New Google ad service
Google introduces a new ad service
Eurydice




msg:1117247
 4:44 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Check out Google's new service: Site Targeting. Google allows advertisers to place ads on Adsense spaces.

 

Eurydice




msg:1117248
 5:00 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

URL at [services.google.com...]

Shak




msg:1117249
 6:35 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

great find ...

1 more step in "that" direction to become the worlds largest media company ...

Shak

running scared




msg:1117250
 7:35 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is still a far cry from the much requested ability to be able to opt-out of particular sites that are not performing. I suppose though that "opt-out" is to easy for unscrupulous publishers to get round.

The CPM rather than CPC aspect is interesting. Looking forward to investigating this further.

running scared




msg:1117251
 8:09 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anybody know how you know which sites to choose - will they make some suggestions?

I can see this hurting AdSense revenues if advertisers switch to this new system and then disable the content ads. This seems quite likely to happen from the little information currently available but there are still a lot of unanswered questions....

HitProf




msg:1117252
 10:31 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

WOW, that looks good. Needs some proper investigation though. But I do wonder why I have to read this on Webmasterworld and not in an email from Google?

sem4u




msg:1117253
 10:38 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

On the surface it looks good. CPM bidding offered as well...kind of interesting...

The Contractor




msg:1117254
 10:46 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Site-targeted ads can be text ads, static image ads or (coming soon) our new animated image ads.

New format animated.gif's coming.... not that I'll use them.

Visit Thailand




msg:1117255
 10:52 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I quite like the idea of animated ads both from an advertiser and publisher perspective. As long as they are done tastefully.

PanUK




msg:1117256
 10:59 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

More News [news.com.com...]

PaulPA




msg:1117257
 11:24 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google now knows that big ad revenue rests with big advertisers. I suspect that this is the beginning of many developments that will target the big spenders.

My question is whether or not AdSense sites can control whether a graphical ad appears or not. I would think that graphic ads can change the look of a site in ways that some site owners would not like.

eWhisper




msg:1117258
 12:53 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Makes me think again about the terms of service. Changing the terms right before announcing a new product makes me wonder if the changes might have been motivated by how this new targeting will work.

Tropical Island




msg:1117259
 12:57 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

In AdSense you have the ability to opt-in for banner type ads or you can block a site from appearing so yes the publisher will still have some control.

I see this as adding to my work load both as an advertiser and publisher.

Undead Hunter




msg:1117260
 1:02 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes... there are a LOT of big name brand advertisers doing banners out there.

This seems on the surface to appeal more to people not using Adwords at all... moreover, lazy ad execs who want to do a mass network buy with a banner campaign and call it quits at the end of a day, whether it drives sales or not... but wait, their banners won't get into rotation if they DON'T have a minimum click-thru rate, will they? Hmm.

FromRocky




msg:1117261
 1:04 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

AdSense Publishers had spotted this first on WW. See Publisher's reaction on this topic at [webmasterworld.com...]

sudden




msg:1117262
 1:20 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I donīt know if this is new, but I havenīt spotted it before: I can see the URL of the original site (displaying our ad) in our tracking software. Itīs beeing posted as a URL parameter from Googleīs "pagead2.googlesyndication.com?...&URL=www.theurlwhereyouradwasshowing.com".

Gives you some idea on what web sites your content ads are on. Be prepared for some surprises. ;)

eWhisper




msg:1117263
 1:24 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

This feature (targeting specific sites or removing specific content sites) has been requested a large amount of times. It's probably the most asked for feature in all of AdWords.

The fact G went with CPM over CPC for site target is going to create a lot more math for companies to determine positioning and effectiveness. The publisher advantage (at least for premiums I'd think), is that they'll get paid no matter what - if clicks don't occur, Google still was paid by CPM, so presumably, so will the publisher.

The downside is this is no longer paid traffic. It's banner displays. The upside, if you get a 10% CTR, you're still only paying CPM.

This seems to really have a few major implications in the advertising world.

Creating product awareness
Launching a new product to create 'awareness' has always been difficult todo with AdWords. You can't launch a product no one is searching for via keyword targeting. You can find ancillary keywords, but creating the awareness through search has been difficult. Now, you'll be able to launch those products with centralized CPM reporting akin to advertising.com or any one of the other multitudes of CPM serving companies.

Tracking:
One now has to set up their conversion tracker to pull impressions and clicks to determine conversions by CPM. There are many ways to break down CPM to CPC for apples to apples comparisons, and many tracking systems will find their own ways to create these conversions numbers and many will be non-standard for a while. On that note, the screen shot doesn't include the Google conversion counter. Strange that they wouldn't include that feature to work with the CPM ads.

Where to buy the distribution:
I've had CPM deals with companies that run AdSense. There is always a lot of math involved as to which ad serving worked better on the various sites. Now, will some of these publishers lose their large CPMs for ad formats and show more Google ads? This will be an interesting development to watch from many of their premium content partners.

From a Search Company to Ad Distribution Company:
This is a move many have wondered about. The moving of Google from a search company to an advertising distributor. In the past, it could be argued each way, however, this is a move that makes them appear more to be an ad serving company. While contextual could be argued that it used search technology to understand a page's themes to serve ads, this is a model of just centralized ad serving.

From Keyword to Themes
This also shows that Google is indexing sites by keywords/themes. I've made many arguments that Google moved to a themed keyword system for keyword placement a while ago (the fact that the keyword 'real estate' will never show for 'real estate photography' because they're different themes) seems to be a reality with the tech behind these options.

Robsp




msg:1117264
 1:29 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

have not seen anything new inside adwords, will this be a separate service or added later on?

sudden




msg:1117265
 1:36 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

In beta test now, availabe within the next two weeks, I read somewhere (in the publisherīs thread, I think).

eWhisper




msg:1117266
 1:45 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can see the next requested feature being the AdSense placement on the page or buying one ad unit on the same page over another ad unit.

In the CPM world, the 'above the fold' aspect creates a higher CPM than 'below the fold' placement.

There doesn't seem to be any way to choose one ad unit over another, just the site in general.

Will publishers lose their incentive to 'mask' the ad units for higher CTRs or keep these units 'above the fold'.

Will publishers have their PPC paid listings at the top of the page, their CPMs at the bottom of the page, and yet, the advertisers doesn't know which unit is which?

Some ad serving companies (especially when buying 'buckets' of CPMs and not each individually) have created a world where the publisher put these 'guaranteed' CPMs lower on the page in favor of custom deals or PPC ads at the top of the page.

Wonder how these issues will be dealt with.

jomaxx




msg:1117267
 2:48 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

My guess is that the CPM ads will be bidding against the effective CPM generated by CPC ads that could be placed on the same page, so it seems fair. If the page is already earning $10 CPM, or whatever, then it shouldn't be necessary to know where the ads physically appear.

Multiple ad units on a page is a complicating factor for Google, but I can't think of any way a publisher could use that to game the system to their advantage.

nyet




msg:1117268
 3:59 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

then it shouldn't be necessary to know where the ads physically appear.

It sure would to me! If my ad appears 10 px from the top or 2010px from the top matters a LOT. I want my impressions where the human eyes always sees them.

jomaxx




msg:1117269
 5:04 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well maybe the system wouldn't work for you in particular. My point was that if the ad block is at the bottom of the page, then the CTR would tend to be less and therefore the CPM that the page earns (the number you would be bidding against) would be proportionately less as well.

caveman




msg:1117270
 6:03 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm friendly with a few of the advertisers who were using this in beta, but I was sworn to secrecy until today.

A few observations:

-- This is gonna go a long way towards killing AS scraper sites.

-- Quality mid-tier sites in categories that previously benefitted from Big Adversier ad dollars will feel a slight pinch, but nothing like the pain that the scapers will feel (the Big's will opt out all over the place, just as they do in other media arenas, where they don't just buy audiences; they buy properties).

-- Remains to be seen, but in theory, no reason that the CPM model should hurt rev's from pages that were getting good eCPM's from CT's ... except in those cases where savvy mid tier advertisers squeeze onto sites that they were not finding before, taking advantage of related content to hawk their wares. ;-)

-- This will be a HUGE boon to savvy mid-tier players with the resources and knowledge to find the sites that the big boys are uncomfortable with, that nonetheless make tons of money for their advertisiers.

-- IMO, quality mid- and small-sized sites will gain more from this over time than may be readily apparent today.

-- Google is essentially admitting via this action what they've been admitting in small private circles for some time now: ROI on second and third tier properties is below that on higher quality properties. Of course, we knew that already. ;-)

Jenstar




msg:1117271
 6:30 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

This will also allow me to make sure my ads appear on competitor sites running AdSense if I want them there ;) Saves me the work of targeting specific sites by figuring which keywords those pages are likely showing ads for.

jcoronella




msg:1117272
 6:36 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

CPM's are back in style!

I think I just heard 'Slim Shady' on the radio.

DamonHD




msg:1117273
 10:46 pm on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi caveman,

So do you think small bona fide sites like mine are gonna get their AS revenue tossed out with the scraper bathwater?

Rgds

Damon

PS. Feeling good that I just bought into CPM with TribalFusion last week, though maybe am a little less diversified than I'd hoped, suddenly!

caveman




msg:1117274
 1:20 am on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

DamonHD, just my personal opinion. But if you were an advertiser with less money to spend than you'd like (pretty much everyone of them), how far down into the scraper sites would you go with a CPM buy where there are so many relatively good non-scraper sites out there?

Of course there IS a flip side, and some of the very small and mid-sized players who know PPC well already see it: Some sites that look like crap actually perform pretty well. And some savvy ad buyers will know to take advantage of this.

gopi




msg:1117275
 5:15 am on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> Some sites that look like crap actually perform pretty well. And some savvy ad buyers will know to take advantage of this

This was my first thought when i read about this first!

HitProf




msg:1117276
 9:33 am on Apr 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

>This will also allow me to make sure my ads appear on competitor sites running AdSense if I want them there

unless they blocked your url :)

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