| 4:18 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
As the irony of ironies, watch Google disable your keywords for low CTR!
| 6:31 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Today again.... we're barely at 3%....I think one or more google network partners may have caught our tracking Url and stopped clicking?
Unless people are noticing a slowdown in impression and CTR's in general?
| 9:39 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
If you alter your ad in any way (including the destination url), it'll be pulled from the search network partners until it's been re-reviewed, so a 50% drop in impressions & clicks is not unusual.
| 9:47 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
thanks for your input.....
The url didnt change, just a tracking code added..i.e.(?cd=goog)tagged on the end... would that cause a Search partner review?
| 10:41 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
that would cause a search partner review
| 10:43 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|The url didnt change, just a tracking code added..i.e.(?cd=goog)tagged on the end... would that cause a Search partner review? |
Yes, that'd do it, fiu88, assuming we're talking about the 'default' URL for the ad itself.
Essentially, even if you are simply adding tracking info - and the URL is otherwise the same - then the URL has changed in the view of the AdWords system.
The ad will then show only on Google, and not on either type of partner sites until it has been reviewed and approved - and this can certainly reduce your impressions/clicks, as roitracker has pointed out. It is the difference between showing on just a few sites, and potentially many hundreds of sites.
And while this will not necessarily alter your CTR (as distinct from impressions or clicks), it can certainly happen.
| 2:44 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I had some pretty good mail support from google on this..... I understand the lower impressions, but a 50% drop in CTR's lead me to assume that some partner sites have a Much Much greater proportion of clicks/views than Google searchers....
We had impressions at 2k/day @ 7% at Full distribution (140 clicks)
We now have impressions at 1K/day @<3% Googleonly (30 clicks)
So the search partner network essentially delivers 1K impressions and 110 clicks or an 11% CTR...
| 3:10 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
let us know what the software shows you, if it's anything like I've seen you'll see some people are ripping you off.
here is one that came out today about a guy who got ripped off for 8 months. clickz [clickz.com]
| 3:43 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
A little sample of what I can see
Campaign Alert Time of click Visitor ID IP Address Landing page
goog NONE 12-11-2004 14:08:47 11558 22.214.171.124 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-11-2004 11:38:30 11518 126.96.36.199 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-11-2004 07:02:13 11466 188.8.131.52 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-11-2004 10:35:42 11428 184.108.40.206 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-11-2004 15:37:51 11588 220.127.116.11 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-11-2004 15:38:20 11589 18.104.22.168 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-12-2004 17:17:35 11838 22.214.171.124 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-12-2004 18:49:09 11852 126.96.36.199 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-12-2004 09:08:18 11730 188.8.131.52 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-11-2004 11:32:45 11515 184.108.40.206 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-11-2004 16:40:31 11601 220.127.116.11 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-12-2004 07:08:15 11716 18.104.22.168 Indexgoog.htm
goog NONE 12-12-2004 10:56:53 11745 22.214.171.124 Indexgoog.htm
| 3:48 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It takes some work and you cant really pinpoint an individual because of the IP blocks each ISP has...but you can get a pretty good idea of where clicks are coming from....
It doesnt take much to set up....
If you really wanted to go all the way, you'd probably need to hire a specialist to analyze logs and get you a refund....
The real eye opener was the fact that Google searchers are clicking at a 3% rate... the "partners" are clicking at an 11% rate..
| 4:01 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I think alot of the fraud comes from those "sites" optimized to rank high in organic search and whose Sole purpose is to feed Adsense links..
| 4:21 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>>>The real eye opener was the fact that Google searchers are clicking at a 3% rate... the "partners" are clicking at an 11% rate..
Is your content match is on?
| 4:35 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
No content match....we used to do it but it didnt seem to trustworthy or necessary...
| 6:07 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It seems to me Google would offer some type of this software to begin with or make fraud detection a little more visible. I would think it would make their clients feel more secure. To me Google operates much like the IRS. Catching a few high and low profile cases but not the vast majority.
| 6:25 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It would be a vast undertaking to set up an internal fraud detection (with reporting)system....whoever (google/overture/msn) pays to do it will carry the ppc torch onward...
My assumption is they make too much money to really care to put advertisers minds at ease...
the problem is we all make money regardless... so we're not going to stop advertising... on the contrary, if we find new keywords to drive sales, we'll pay even more.....!
| 6:25 pm on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
<My assumption is they make too much money to really care to put advertisers minds at ease...>
That may have been the case once, but there was a post here a few days ago (can't remember where) about a news article in which a Google ad executive was quoted as saying fraud clicks are now a major concern for Google and other PPCs because they have become so serious they threaten the very viability and integrity of the PPC system.
They may finally be catching on...... and I believe in Santa Claus too. But one thing for sure, the more advertisers are aware of this, and the more we complain, the more likely we are to get serious effort/help by OV and Google to improve the situation.
| 11:16 pm on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Today we have ads running across the entire search network....CTR is back up to 7 % +.....
I'd realyy like to know how worthwhile those "partner" searches are ( besides AOL users whom we all love!)