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We have Notified Adwords Of Yahoo Tactics
twebdonny




msg:1131194
 6:32 pm on May 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

We just notified Adwords that we will be pulling our account if they allow yahoo travel to spam their index as is happening today.

[edited by: Shak at 6:39 pm (utc) on May 23, 2004]

 

Shak




msg:1131195
 6:39 pm on May 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

roflmao

twebdonny




msg:1131196
 6:44 pm on May 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

And that is funny why?

cline




msg:1131197
 7:08 pm on May 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

roflmao 2!

It's funny because your threat is insignificant to Google, and carrying it out is likely to cause you significant harm. It's like a little kid threatening to hold their breath unless they get what they want.

Shak




msg:1131198
 7:11 pm on May 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

btw, you know how much % Yahoo hold of Google stock (not that that should make any difference)

well last I heard it was in 100s of millions of $, maybe even as much as $2 billion.

you are barking up the wrong tree, and using Yahoo as an example when there are 1000s of others, probably yourself included.

Shak

skibum




msg:1131199
 7:43 pm on May 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Y! has been looking to hire SEO folks lately so maybe the results are starting to show.

Leosghost




msg:1131200
 11:27 am on May 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Violette Elisabeth!

twebdonny




msg:1131201
 2:01 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well I got a response that Google was looking into it and wanted specific information and urls. I notice now that all of the yahoo travel pages are now in the Yahoo index and that's fine, but they shouldn't be spamming Google IMHO. I truly believe if others wrote to their adwords managers about such practices maybe things would get changed. That is, instead of just laughing at me, see previous responses.

Thank you

Res_Ipsa




msg:1131202
 3:49 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

We've expended substantial resources to develop and market our web site. Now when someone searches Google for our company name (which also is a registered trademark, as well as our web site name and domain)they see a lot of Yahoo pages in the results. A "link" search displays Yahoo pages in both first and last position.

gniland




msg:1131203
 4:47 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

twebdonny - don't take it personally, it's just a funny situation. Yahoo is a major stakeholder in Google and yahoo does have a ton of pages.

Think of it this way Yahoo's money talks while poor adword campaigns walk.

jo1ene




msg:1131204
 4:58 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Rock on, twebdonny!

I truly believe if others wrote to their adwords managers about such practices maybe things would get changed.

Yep. And if people voted for who they really wanted in office instead of who they thought was going to win as not to "waste a vote", maybe things would change.

If people would cut back on their non-necessary driving maybe gas prices would go down.

But it only works if everyone does it.
Most "sheeple" won't.

I just heard an analyst on the radio admit that gas companies don't worry too much about their prices because they know people won't stop driving/buying. I realize there are other issues involved, but I found this admission very telling.

Maybe if people stopped spending outragous money at the grocery store, prices would come down. Instead I see a woman the other day pick up a chuck roast for $2.99 a pound when the top round roast, a better piece of meat, was sitting right next to it for $1.49 a pound on sale. She didn't even look at the price tag!

Was she too embarrassed to check prices? Did she think the passers by would think it was low-class to comparison shop?

I'll be damned if I'm paying more for a poorer quality product!

More folks out there need to have "a pair" and speak up! Keep walking around with a defeatist attitude and we'll all keep getting screwed!

I appologize for being a tad inflamitory.

Res_Ipsa




msg:1131205
 6:01 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Agree jo 1ene. We are also an AdWords customer. It comes down to a costs/benefits analysis for each party.

AdWordsAdvisor




msg:1131206
 7:02 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

It is worth noting, simply as background to this discussion, that the Search Results on the left, and the Ads on the right are 100% unrelated. One does not effect the other in any way.

The teams that handle the two things are also entirely seperate.

So if one has an issue with Search, contacting AdWords support is not an effective way to approach it. All we can do is forward your comment internally to the same team you would reach if you used the email address mentioned below.

All in all, the best thing to do with Search related questions/comments/complaints is to contact the Search team at help@google.com.

AWA

twebdonny




msg:1131207
 7:31 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>The teams that handle the two things are also entirely seperate.<<<

Except that they get their paychecks from the same place...paid advertising

Res_Ipsa




msg:1131208
 8:01 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

We don't set up or manage AdWords campaigns based on what might be appearing in search results. To be more direct, if you weigh the costs/benefits you may realize that its not worth changing what you're doing in AdWords in reaction to search results (which change).

bears5122




msg:1131209
 9:43 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yahoo has been looking to hire more SEOs as they are clearly trying to get their presence on Yahoo. So far in many commercial industries they have succeeded in good rankings with their directories.

twebdonny




msg:1131210
 9:59 pm on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Don't have a problem with them "getting their presence" as you call it, aka spamming, on Yahoo, just shouldn't be allowed on other serach engines that forbid the same techniques.

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