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does Google allow "PageRank For Sale" ads ?
I thought Google frowned on this, yet they accept these ads
Scarecrow




msg:1117788
 6:51 am on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm confused. About 18 months ago, Google considered it high treason to openly sell PageRank. Now I see ads fed from Google in the Washington Post that explicitly advertise PageRank for sale. Here's a screen <snip> shot[/url].

Is it okay to sell PageRank now?

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 12:41 pm (utc) on June 25, 2004]
[edit reason] no specifics. Please reread the TOS [/edit]

 

MarkHutch




msg:1117789
 6:54 am on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just because you see it in an adwords ad doesn't mean that the regular SE folks at Google approve. Buyer by very BEWARE...

Shak




msg:1117790
 7:46 am on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

try doing a search for "buy pagerank" ;)

really nothing to worry about (imo)

if someone actually needs to go to do a search to work out where to buy pagerank, well frankly, they deserve a hammering ...

Shak

Macro




msg:1117791
 10:51 am on May 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Amazing! I'm seeing these ads all over the place now. I can't see these ads continuing without Google's approval. So, can we take it that Google is now OK with selling PR?

I know that a lot of people have held out buying/selling PR because they still remember the Search King issues... but it looks like they've got their PR back too. So maybe it's not taboo anymore!

well frankly, they deserve a hammering ...

Shak, it's not just about buying PR. For those of us who have a little PR this makes for a nice little side earner to SELL PR (especially if it's not going to upset Google or get our Adsense accounts banned).

AWA, is it OK to advertise PR for sale?

AdWordsAdvisor




msg:1117792
 6:45 pm on May 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

AWA, is it OK to advertise PR for sale?

Good question.

I'll check with the policy folks and post again as soon as I've heard back from them.

AWA

Macro




msg:1117793
 6:57 pm on May 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wow! I never for a second thought AWA would post a reply to that!

markus007




msg:1117794
 7:18 pm on May 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

well i think its a good idea for google to let people place ads, what better way for them to know what is a hot place to get PR?

Swash




msg:1117795
 2:52 am on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Most of these sites don't give away the actual name or url of the sites selling PR until a purchase is made, in order to prevent G from seeing who they are. Seem's odd that they feel the need to hide from G yet they are fine about advertising on it? And it seems odd for google to take money from these people for advertising a service which google itself frowns upon, and goes out of it's way to circumvent.

Will the wierdness ever end?

edit_g




msg:1117796
 3:01 am on May 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Some of those are ads for software to increase your Alexa rank (who are calling alexa ranking pagerank)...

Macro




msg:1117797
 9:49 am on May 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

AWA, any news?
<bump>

AdWordsAdvisor




msg:1117798
 5:34 pm on May 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the bump, but still waiting to hear, Macro. ;)

Essentially, it seems as if it is allowable now, as the evidence suggests it!

What I was hoping to find out is what future plans may be. So, I'll keep working on it, and post when I know more.

BTW, this may be a good time to say that I'll be 'out of the office' Friday thru next Tuesday, and won't be able to post here during that time. So, this week, last posts on Thursday - then back on 6/3. ;)

AWA

Shak




msg:1117799
 5:48 pm on May 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

BTW, this may be a good time to say that I'll be 'out of the office' Friday thru next Tuesday, and won't be able to post here during that time. So, this week, last posts on Thursday - then back on 6/3. ;)

so you aint joining us at either SES or PubCon next week :(

Shak

AdWordsAdvisor




msg:1117800
 6:01 pm on May 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

so you aint joining us at either SES or PubCon next week :(

I should probably create some mystery by saying that, well, I may be there. ;)

But the honest truth is that I won't be, with reget. I'll almost certainly be at a future PubCon though.

Looking forward to it!

;) AWA

Duke51




msg:1117801
 7:29 pm on May 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Essentially, it seems as if it is allowable now, as the evidence suggests it!

What I was hoping to find out is what future plans may be. So, I'll keep working on it, and post when I know more.

Let me get this straight--Google now says it's OK to do the things for which they busted SearchKing? Does this mean they're no longer "Spam *******" and Bob Massa was right along?

Or is it OK to sell PageRank just as long as you buy ads from Google.

Does the irony of this strike anyone else?

[edited by: Shak at 7:39 pm (utc) on May 26, 2004]
[edit reason] check stickymail [/edit]

pixel_juice




msg:1117802
 8:38 pm on May 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Shak, it's not just about buying PR. For those of us who have a little PR this makes for a nice little side earner to SELL PR (especially if it's not going to upset Google or get our Adsense accounts banned).

Exactly. It's not the uniquely democratic nature of the web. It's the uniquely capitalist nature! (Feel free to remove 'uniquely from that last sentence.)

AdWordsAdvisor




msg:1117803
 12:56 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK, I've got some more feedback on this question.

So, advertising to assist with PageRank isn't a problem. Selling PageRank, however, is another thing - and ads/sites are reviewed on a case-by-case basis along these guidelines.

If you're seeing ads promoting the sale of PageRank, then it's possible that those ads have not yet been reviewed/disapproved. At least let's hope that's it. ;)

In any case - thanks for the heads up. This has been passed on to the right folks.

AWA

GuitarZan




msg:1117804
 1:16 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey,

Yeah, I seen an ad selling page rank also the other day. So now all they have to do is change a couple words in the ad, and it's alright?

C.K.

figment88




msg:1117805
 1:31 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

So, I can assist someone with pagerank by putting an ad on my site?

Swash




msg:1117806
 3:53 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wow. Am I interpreting this right? It sounds like selling "text links" as "advertising" is ok with google, even if we state "these ads may help with google PR" .. but its not ok if we say "We sell pagerank"?

Why then are some sites clearly blocked when it comes to the passing of pagerank? does the PR algo now take into account theming?

Something isn't adding up here.

Macro




msg:1117807
 8:46 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

AWA, thanks.

figment88, it looks like we can... he he :)

There are other issues/questions that people like Swash have, but...

AWA, thanks for clearing up my question.

viggen




msg:1117808
 9:08 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>advertising to assist with PageRank isn't a problem...

Can somebody explain to me (who´s first language is not english) what that means?

To assist somebody with pagerank would be in laymen terms like what?

thanks for your help

cheers
viggen

Macro




msg:1117809
 11:59 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

viggen, if you're looking to sell PR then, for all practical purposes, assisting with page rank and selling page rank are the same thing. It's just that you can advertise one and not advertise the other.

It's a wink, wink situation i.e. Google knows that you are selling PR and is OK with it as long as you don't make it blaringly obvious. As long as you don't fly a "selling PR" flag. As long as you don't claim you will increase somebody's PR. I think the intepretation is: Sell it ... but don't make it look like you are selling it.

figment88




msg:1117810
 4:44 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

It would be nice if there was something more of a open market.

People's conceptions of fair prices for pr-bearing ads varies grealty. Buying and selling them takes a lot of time negotiating.

BTW - that is just what I heard. I have never bought or sold a pr-bearing ad.

robotsdobetter




msg:1117811
 4:58 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

BTW - that is just what I heard. I have never bought or sold a pr-bearing ad.

And you should not!

Macro




msg:1117812
 5:52 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I haven't bought or sold one yet. But if there's a market opening up in this - and with Google's approval - I don't want to lose out. Wonder how much Adwords advertisers will bid for this. And how much people will charge for PR if it's an "open market". Can we expect to see "Advertise on our PR8 site for $99" ads soon? ;)

AdWordsAdvisor




msg:1117813
 6:21 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think the intepretation is: Sell it ... but don't make it look like you are selling it.

Hmmm. Well, what I was hoping to convey was:

* Ok to assist folks in understanding PageRank - and how to improve it.

* Not OK to sell it, or sell it while calling it something else.

AWA

Scarecrow




msg:1117814
 10:22 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Clear as mud. How's this:

"Place your text ad on sites that rank well!
Contact www . someadbroker . com"

Just leave off the "Page" in front of "Rank".

GoogleGuy




msg:1117815
 6:23 am on May 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I believe that our quality guidelines give a pretty good answer to this: [google.com...]
especially
Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

That still holds true.

Swash




msg:1117816
 6:31 am on May 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

ok so now you're saying it's NOT ok to advertise to assist pagerank? Can we get some CLEAR answers on this one please?

blaze




msg:1117817
 6:39 am on May 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think it is pretty obvious:

- You're allowed to advertise SEO services about PageRank.

- You are not allowed to sell PageRank.

- Unless you are a Hit and Run SEO, it is probably inadvisable to assist people with PageRank by encouraging them to participate in unnatural linking schemes.

The part Google doesn't want to tell you is that the state of the nation appears to be that Hit And Run SEOs make all the money.

Also, FYI, my PageRank jumped to PR6 overnight when I bought a few links. Though, I must say, it didn't really help my SERP rankings that much..

Caveat Emptor.

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