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I need to setup 200 websites in 6 months please advise
Need to advertise 200 sites
BlueYon

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Msg#: 1344 posted 3:00 pm on Oct 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi, I work for a company that wants me to setup 200 web sites in 6 months. Although I can do this I need to know what exactly I need to be able to advertise these sites on separate Google adwords accounts.

My company has setup 60 websites and was advertising them on Google until one day they got banned for using multiple accounts. The company tried to create new accounts and websites with Google but kept getting banned within 24 hours. I advised them to use a different structure website but they kept repeating the mistakes. Such as:

Same database structure.
Same link to the payment gateway page.
Same photos.

I was then asked to produce a website which managed to successfully advertise on Google. I have now been asked to produce over 200 sites for this company.

Iím going to use the popular osCommerce shopping cart software and modify the layout for each site. Can some one please post what I would need to do to trick Google so my company can have many web sites ranking on the same pages?

I need advice on what methods to use such as clocking, stopping googlebot and spiders.

 

Shak

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Msg#: 1344 posted 3:57 pm on Oct 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

post of the year :)

step forward and take a bow young man...

Shak

storevalley

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Msg#: 1344 posted 4:26 pm on Oct 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld BlueYon

I need advice on what methods to use

Assuming that you are selling one range of products, how about forgetting 199 of the sites and putting that effort into the one that remains.

Spend the rest of the time you would have wasted on working out how to offer something that knocks the socks off your competitors ;)

incywincy

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Msg#: 1344 posted 4:43 pm on Oct 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

are the domain names going to be registered in 200 different names? if not your competitors will soon find you out.

likewise if there is a lot of overlap of products being offered. why not invest the time and money in a long term proposition. that way you'll sleep better at night!

onedumbear

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Msg#: 1344 posted 4:54 pm on Oct 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am sure you will get an answer here [answers.google.com]
They are very helpful

killroy

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Msg#: 1344 posted 5:26 pm on Oct 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok, back on topic.
If you don't want to be found out, and at 200 they'll look deep, there are a couple of things you have to keep in mind.

- Appearent and actuall relatedness of the sites
- similarity of contact and registration details
- IP and hosting relatedness
- database similarities
- other fluff content similarities
- design and layout

Some you can jsut sort-of randomize and get away with. But organising the hosting info for 200 domains can be a job.

Personally I've got several different interfaces to the same db indexed no problem. Perhaps you would be better off organising the sites to actually be usefull. Have a few focused sales sites, each offering a subset of the products. Have a whole bunch of VALUABLE information resources, that refer the products. Basically be your own merchant and affilaite network. Think what would an affilaite (a good one) do.

Have a browse around, you will find many setups like this that not just work well, but actually give genuiine value to the visitors.

SN

loanuniverse

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Msg#: 1344 posted 9:48 pm on Oct 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

:)

Nice post. Wow 200 websites.

I think Google will look deeper into this because it is adwords than just getting a couple of sites indexed using the same database for content. it is my opinion that getting past the editors on the second instance is much easier due to the millions of sites to be indexed and that it relies mostly on automation. The adword advertiser pool is much smaller {around 150,000} and it probably has more people dedicated to quality control on a per website basis. After all you are talking about messing with their moneymaker.

I am going to guess that the purpose of this post was trolling, no way someone would actually ask for advice on this topic here. No way!

Why don't you sticky me the URL list so that I can give you some pointers also CC AWA, he is the most knowledgeable member in this forum, I am sure he can give you the best answer :D

BlueYon

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Msg#: 1344 posted 9:24 am on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

OK good answers,

I was going to set the hosts servers up in a datacenter.

The servers will be:

Database server
Mail server
1 server for every 50 websites
DNS 1
DNS 2

I can get hold of 200 credit cards to create 200 accounts and I have lots of people that can manage each account.

I have hired some people to help me setup the sites and each design will be very different. I think the reason we got caught last time was because one of our competitors told Google and the designs were all virtually the same.

Also my company has just paid Google a 30k (USD) deposit to be able to re-advertise our old sites under the one account.

piskie

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Msg#: 1344 posted 10:43 am on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

50 domains per Webserver torpedoes anything else that you do.

If (and that is an extremely big if) you are successful NOW with algorithm and Google cop detection methods, how long do you think it will be before a change in detection/algo finds you out and makes all the work and investment absolutely worthless. Some may say quite rightly so.

Depending on your contractual obligations, your client could then take action for not delivering that which was agreed. In the UK we would be using the terms "Fit for Purpose" and "Not of Merchantable Quality".

killroy

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Msg#: 1344 posted 10:51 am on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hmm do you havea class C available so you can put them on different IPs?

SN

Shak

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Msg#: 1344 posted 1:06 pm on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I can get hold of 200 credit cards to create 200 accounts and I have lots of people that can manage each account.

hmmm......

Shak

BlueYon

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Msg#: 1344 posted 2:25 pm on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok, already this has started to do my head in. I can understand that people are telling me to just work on one good website but my boss doesernt see it that way.

Could I do this?

Pretend my company is a dropship center for other companys to sell there products on. I can say we host their web sites, we take the orders and ship for our clients.

Do you think this would work?

killroy

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Msg#: 1344 posted 2:38 pm on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think the best way would be to set it up like an affilaite network. mark hte adwrods ads with "Aff" liek a real affiliate, jsut that you do all the affiliates yourself. One merchant, 199 affilaites. I don't see a problem with that.

SN

PS: And Shak, if you got something to say just go ahead.

storevalley

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Msg#: 1344 posted 2:42 pm on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Perhaps you could explain the scenario a little better.

If you sell 200 different products, I can see that you might potentially want 200 web sites. If this is the case, I can't imagine why Google would object to you setting up different sites/accounts for each.

But to me, it sounds like you are trying to set up a number of different web sites to sell the same product, then use those sites to lock your competitors out of Adwords.

Maybe you would like to put us straight ...

digitalghost

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Msg#: 1344 posted 2:52 pm on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

You need:

A good number of class Cs, non-sequential blocks, non-sequential IPs.
If I were doing it, and I have, I would host sites all over the globe.

You need to make sure there are no strings duplicated on any of the sites, that includes 800 numbers, cart ID numbers, email, etc.

A wide variety of templates.

Different Whois info, preferably registered by proxy.

Make sure no one involved in the project decides to install the G toolbar and merrily check Pagerank on all the sites.

Make sure the copy style and phrasing is different. Use different product IDs.

In short, make it appear as if 200 people created 200 sites to market those products and you just happen to be one of them. A single mistake can blow all 200 sites off the face of the SERPs.

Pay attention to detail. Your competitors certainly will.

BlueSky

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Msg#: 1344 posted 3:40 pm on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Are there any honest companies/people advertising via Adwords? My experience as a surfer has been all negative. I cannot imagine why any honest person would willingly tell him and anyone else who reads this thread how to scam the system to introduce even more trash into Adwords. If someone does this type of deception on marketing, most likely they carry the same shadiness through on their services or products.

GoogleGuy

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Msg#: 1344 posted 3:58 pm on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

BlueYon, I'm not sure if you're joking or not? If you're worried about making 200 sites first and what they say afterwards, I would suggest that your boss has it backwards. Trying something like this and getting even a single thing wrong (hint: not all, but some experienced SEOs will already note a couple wrong pieces of advice on this thread.) means that at the six month mark, you'll be completely burnt out and your boss will be pretty unhappy if all those sites are caught.

If it helps, please feel free to go back to your boss and say "GoogleGuy says this is really over the line and if we don't get it exactly 100% right, then this gamble could really bite us in the ..."

Hope that helps,
GoogleGuy

P.S. If anyone at the company wants me to check on how rock-solid the clocking is, let me know--I'll be happy to check it out for ya. ;)

heini

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Msg#: 1344 posted 4:26 pm on Oct 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

Note: With Adwords you are in a business partnership with Google. It's one thing to try dominating serps, and another thing to try and cheat on your business partners.

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