| 7:46 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This is really the trouble. PR is misunderstood. It is (was?) definitely a poor policy to select link partners on the basis of their PR.
|trouble is most webmasters do check whether the site / page has a good PR before exchanging links. |
| 8:15 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It seems obvious that google is using a 3 day holiday to revamp and make changes. With the stock exchange closed and now being a high profile public company, they don't want speculation and fear driving their stock price. You can see by the amount of posts and consternation how much effect it would have on their share value.
I feel certain that pr will return well before opening bell on tuesday.
If it doesn't? good riddance. It is a shame that one company has such a stranglehold on the internet. Bill gates must be green with envy. Next, we can only hope that the odp will take a nice pratfall. Let's face it. If the odp did not license to google no one would even know of it's existence. I don't begrudge the odp it's status but I believe it is a very capricious "forum" at best that really has no business dictating so much to the web. They are the perfect example that in "order there is chaos". Sorry to stump like this.
| 8:27 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Same here with all my sites.
| 8:41 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Why all the stress in this thread? |
The reason for all the stress is there are a lot of us on here that are paid by clients to keep them up to date on the changes and they are screaming for an explanation ... thus the stress goes uphill in this case.
| 8:45 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
we searched and found something very bad i think!?
we found that they removing pr from google directory.
Its not public yet but if you search you will find it!
| 8:52 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
care to give us a pointer to where you see the pr going from the dir?
i still see pr in the directory along with the "viewing in google pagerank order" option at the top of each page
| 8:59 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I feel certain that pr will return well before opening bell on tuesday. |
That's a good bet.
| 9:04 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
If no PageRank being displayed in the toolbar brings you stress that spawns from not being able to keep your clients happy, then maybe your not in the right field.
| 9:12 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Page rank doesn't keep clients happy - ROI does ;)
| 9:22 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I of course just got a hair up my... to do a link building campaign...
normally its really simple...
-find my competitors sites with the best page rank
-use something besides google to find all the links to them
-see which of those pages have rank worth requesting a link from
Without the toolbar - I'm totally lost.
From Google's perspective - "without the toolbar - that guy trying to game the SERPs is totally lost"
My $.02 - PR is dead.
| 9:24 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
In my opinion it would be nice if those were the last days for google PR. Time to start something new, google had enough. They were ment to make the net better, and they did so at the beginning but now it's all getting worse.
| 9:24 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yeah no kidding Conor, but you can't ignore the fact that there are 22 pages of people complaining about PR being gone and wishing it comes back soon...these are the cats that are not on top of their game...
Yeah there are a few people on here that dont care...those are the ones that know how to bring the positive ROI you speak of regrdless of some little green bar.
| 9:37 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
whos complaining I hope its gone forever .
It forces webmasters to do less thinking and more trusting of a stupid green bar.
I had blogs with a update show PR5 and had not even 100 visitors a day.
Next I had a website with PR5 and have 30,000 visitors a month. Now its about 60 percent less now google delisted it. But still its better if we are all on the same page and not playing favorites otherwise the risk to bad publicity will do more than get their Pee pee slapped.
| 9:40 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Everybody who's serious in seo looks at pagerank . Anybody who doesn't lies or doesn't knwo what there talking about. There are ways to overcome this problem but this means more work for serious seo professionals.
| 9:40 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|these are the cats that are not on top of their game |
although i have posted in this thread i don't believe i have complained, but none the less, that is a bit of a generalisation isn't it, i mean it all boils down to a matter of "educated" opinion doesn't it? i know the value of PR, but still to see my sites with pr7's and pr8's tells me i'm doing well, why? because i know those high pr's indicate the level of linking to my sites, i don't buy or request links. That tells me that people think my content is worth linking to.
| 9:41 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Sooo... "PR is dead, long live the..." Who?
| 9:58 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
| 10:16 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I think that using the toorbar exclusivly to gauge a link is not on. But it is always good to take a peek that you are not linking to a bad neigbourhood.
| 10:22 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Everybody who's serious in seo looks at pagerank . Anybody who doesn't lies or doesn't knwo what there talking about. |
yeah but not too long :D
Link request emails have been nice and quiet this weekend :) Could be the holiday, but I like to hope it is because the GPR is gone... even if just for a moment.
| 10:44 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I think PR is one of the great things in Google’s history.
It has benefited and served the net well. It is one more tool to help nullify spammers, fraudsters and liars - people who seem to have been naturally drawn to the net's anonymity.
I am one who certainly does not mindlessly applaud Google for everything they do. But in this case I say "bring back the green bar".
I look forward to its return!
| 11:09 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yes pr was good but with no profit for them!
| 11:17 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Why not use marketleap or similar tools?
Competition among different search engines is best in the long run. Or is'nt it?
Make is simple, as simple as possible, but no simpler.
| 11:34 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"Everybody who's serious in seo looks at pagerank . Anybody who doesn't lies or doesn't knwo what there talking about. There are ways to overcome this problem but this means more work for serious seo professionals."
As they say in church: bingo.
| 12:06 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>this means more work for serious seo professionals.
And a ton of guessing and wild speculation for everyone else.
After reading this stuff, seeing how many buy into totally unsubstantiated BS, and reading the email I'm getting from frantic "webmasters", I am beginning to understand steveb's postulation that the death of displayed PR will only give rise to an industry of seo snakeoil salesmen that will dwarf the link merchants.
| 12:26 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Post IPO g needs more $'s - so why not bring out a "premier" SEO Toolbox, which shows accurate page counts, links, PR, etc.
| 12:38 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm running Firefox, and installed a toolbar extensions. Like others, I'm seeing Google PR greyed out now.
I don't know how the G-PR bar actually works, but doesn't the extension or toolbar have to make a
SEPARATE inquiry to G to get the data?
If so, then maybe all those extra queries put too much of an extra load on their servers / bandwidth.
Since there's no obvious payback, cutting out toolbar PR might just be a simple cost / bandwidth saving
stragegem. Their internal (real) pagerank would remain in place, subject to algorithm tweeks,
and hidden from all in any case. Any thoughts on that? -Larry
| 1:44 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I really find it hard to believe that Google would drop PageRank without making a MAJOR announcement to go along with it. I'm actually a little surprised that so many WebmasterWorld members are speculating this is what happened.
Google is a public company now ... they don't go making major changes to their system without a press release. Millions use the Google toolbar, not just webmasters, so it's highly unlikely that PageRank would be phased out of the toolbar without an announcement. Besides, many of us in this forum are Google shareholders and if Google had planned to drop PR we would know about it. This is a temporary situation or an upgrade, not an elimination.
Also keep in mind that Google still has numerous references to PageRank on their site, including the "PageRank Explained" information on google.com/technology. If they were doing away with it, that page wouldn't be there anymore.
| 2:26 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
why would they need to inform anyone. It's a minor feature. PR in it'self is major, but displaying it is not. The display has been no more than a toy for at least a year. Personaly I would be glad if it where to go. But like most in this thread I belive it is either a glitch or some form of rework/improvement.
| 2:56 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Hmm, for the 3rd day, google PR is down.
We are facing problem in delivering links to clients.
| 3:24 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I think mack is probably right - OF COURSE Google still measures PR since it's a critical part of the ranking mechanism. They may bring it back but they may also have simply decided that showing PR was doing more harm than good as it was "interpreted" and used by link and SEO communities.
| 3:26 am on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
They are already out there, and were there before the toolbar was invented.
|the death of displayed PR will only give rise to an industry of seo snakeoil salesmen that will dwarf the link merchants. |
You all managed before the toolbar and you will manage without it, get a grip on yourselves, stop being toolbar junkies.