| 4:13 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Good thing we got Alexa traffic rank instead.
Thats a much better number to market when selling links.
seriously PR is silly its the whats in the logs that count.
| 5:38 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I guess they wont scrap the PR system but it wont be displayed on the Toolbar. Due to the various malpractices involved in increasing pr etc.
| 5:52 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This is very odd not having PR showing. It tells you so much about a website with one quick flick of the eye and was/is the making of Google. I am lost without it.
| 6:01 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
A friend of mine 'used' to make $10k/month by selling links on his scraper sites. I'm sure he's crying now.
| 6:21 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
So does anyone have any real information on what's going on here? I see a lot of speculation from WebmasterWorld members but nothing solid.
| 6:22 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
the only one having "solid" information is G and they won't say, speculation is all we can do
[edited by: tigger at 6:23 am (utc) on May 29, 2005]
| 6:23 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Directory icon not working either. Doubt they'd get rid of that.
| 6:33 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Well I read this entire thread * which is very rare for me * and I am ready to comment now.
After reading this all it still does not concern me what does still concern me is having my website removed after one single post I made to the_founder and after still not being listed in the google database I am still running adsense. However I am making 90 percent less than I was before since I had established a authority site in google on a certain industry and I thought what a better way to give back than to run adsense on every page and use adwords exclusively.
However I am still not listed in the index and I have been googlebowled and feel I have been victumized in this update . I also signed up to be thier since I am losing my condo now I might as well go out with a bang as this was a last shot attempt at keeping my financial situation in check after loosing $10,000 on a adwords campaign when a affiliate cancled my account and never paid me on the proceeds.
Again live and learn I gambled I trusted G and I still lost from my previous affiliate and from G.
| 7:42 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Buying/selling links based on Alexa traffic rank could be funny.
I believe we'll be left wondering what happened until the weekend is over. Great test. Now, where's the TrustRank toolbar?
| 7:50 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I think, it's nothing but a wait and watch situation for all of us. This thread could be rendered useless or very useful with just a string from G. We will ask the G engineers in the conference :)
I bet they will do something before that. Pagerank is named after one of the co founders of Google, Larry Page, I don;t think they will dump pagerank all together. The PR number in itself is for entertainment purpose only, I have MYSELF heard this from a Google Guy over the phone. All that matters is links, and they are indeed an important part of the rankings.
Now the question boils down, to the link buyers and sellers, what will they do if PR is Scrapped, which I do not beleive 100%, that it will happen.
Wait and Watch Guys :)
| 7:56 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have always been a big fan of PR....
Not only has it become a focal point for me since I'm in marketing, so I really should have it, but we all know how time consuming surfing the web can be when you are in search for something you need be it information, products or whatever...
PageRank has always given me a second opinion so-to-speak when I am viewing a web page....
In most cases, if I am considering buying a product, if the site has HIGH PR, then lots of other people must buy there products there too = Good Company
Again, In most cases, if I am reading a Blog or article and it has HIGH PR, I can give it some weight of my own while I am reading bacause = alot of people liked that article enough to link to it...
So in short, PR for me, actually saves me sometime when I'm trying to quickly evaluate what I am looking at, and for this point alone, I really hope we haven't seen the last of pagerank on the toolbar.....
| 8:13 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Do any of the people who were around the last time this happened remember if there was a large backlink update to go with it or what?
| 8:38 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
people with offline copies of the google directory that display PR could earn some nice extra cash
| 8:48 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Its grey in INDIA also
| 8:54 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>In most cases, if I am considering buying a product, if the site has HIGH PR, then lots of other people must buy there products there too = Good Company>>
Wrong! As PR is purely base on backlink and you can PURCHASE backlink for HIGHER PR. So your equation HIGH PR = GOOD COMPANY may go wrong many times.
NOTE : PR has no concern with quality of page/product/contents as in todays compititive world LINK Purchase is growing very rapidly. And some webmasters only exhcanging links just for PR.
Yes! if you keep research on backlink of such site it will easyly give you idea of Quality.
Sorry for using this forum as this discussion is not related to topic.
| 8:55 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Can you explain HOW?
| 9:27 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Morning has broken... I predict that Google very soon will announce a new toolbar.
| 9:28 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Some more speculation, anyone?
Why is the green stuff missing?
Answer 1: Probably in order to devalue the currency "link for sale" - and make the results better. Those of us focusing in the green bar will have to redo their homework. Come on - there's other ways to find out if a site is important, ever tried to key in a couple of keywords and analyse the result? They basically took away backlinks a long time ago, why not PR?
Answer2: They got sued by some hot-shot fortune 500 company complaining about the rating.
Answer3: Just a temporary glitch
Answer4: Market research. How many Posts on WW will this create? How widespread is public use/belief in out little gadget?
Answer5: They had offered a look into their kitchen -
as long as the user was willing to show everything he was doing on his machine. Give and take. Maybe they know enough by now?
What will happen if ....
1. Link-Money will shift from sites with a big green bar to a) well known sites that see the chance to make some extra money b) Sites that do every trick in the book to get #1 listings, giving the impression that a link from them is a must-have.
Others will jump in. We don't want complicated equations. We don't want to figure out. So there will be others that give a site or a page a certain value. I bet Yahoo and MSN are already wondering whether giving away some details could help them.
2. They'll sort that out and bring it back on.
3. They'll sort that out and bring it back on.
My guess: it's a glitch, or update or whatever. Maybe a new alg to disguise the real value better, maybe just a new toolbar coming WITH PR, but more crack-proof so the "knock-off-PR-showing-sites" lose some business.
I removed the toolbar at the office half a year ago and ever since customers and friends ask me, how I can work without it. Reminded me strongly of this situation: I tell somebody about SEO, and they answer "I know. That's all about meta tags".
| 9:39 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
mann, I do not agree....
your are right in the respect that pagerank is minipulatable, but as I said in "most cases" an online store with High pagerank can be considered a good business....
For an example, if you would like to make your point... You could point out a link to a "store front" site with a PR7 in the Google directory as an example of a site not to be trusted having a PR7...
If you can point out a link to such a resource, I will gladly except and agree with your comment.
| 9:50 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I tell somebody about SEO, and they answer "I know. That's all about meta tags". |
I think the best one Ive heard to date was when i was talking to someone about SEO and they said "yeah I know its done by Alphabetical order." rofl :)
Back to the Green Bar I really hope they bring it back personally. I must look at that bar hundreds of times a week, it gives me confidence in a site where i suppose really it does't show that much at all its more of a lazy way to check whether your link partner is worth linking to.
| 9:57 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I must look at that bar hundreds of times a week, it gives me confidence in a site where i suppose really it does't show that much at all its more of a lazy way to check whether your link partner is worth linking to. |
Why don't you look at your logs first - and if anythings's "wrong" at the SERP?
|Pass the Dutchie|
| 10:33 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|The PR number in itself is for entertainment purpose only, I have MYSELF heard this from a Google Guy over the phone. All that matters is links, and they are indeed an important part of the rankings. |
I am not so sure about this. Granted, the PR tool is not as it once was and should not be used as an exclusive marketing tool. It is quite obvious that a website with a high PR can be out ranked by a site with a low PR. However that little green bar does tell you something about a page on a site. Ok it might be inaccurate but it is certainly not 100% misleading. Assume for a moment that link acquisition is for one purpose, that of increasing SERP placement. I for one would hesitate to reciprocate a link if the PR bar of a page was white, low PR or grey (hmmm now what!).
Some will no doubt disagree but I believe that the PR bar gives a rough indication of the value of a potential inbound link rather than the ranking value Google allocates to a website. I use it as an approximation tool and quick reference `LinkRank’ guide. A link from a PR7 site is at first glance more appealing than a link from a page with white bar. Yes there are many other variables that factor in to the calculation of the importance of an inbound link but IMHO PR is just another piece of the SEO puzzle.
If the PR bar is re-released and if it has been altered in any way it will spawn one of the biggest post on WW. If it does all those who have uninstalled it let me save you some time: [toolbar.google.com...]
| 11:47 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Ok this is not funny anymore. I could care less about the toolbar from a webmastering standpoint.
I do miss it as a surfer. I like to know if a site or blog is popular that I am reading. Seeing the little greenguy also gave me a sense of comfort that others respect the information or opinion of the webmaster.
Does Yahoo still have webrank or whatever it is called?
| 11:50 am on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Some more speculation, anyone? |
Some large corporation filed a patent and copyrighted green?
| 12:04 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Pass the Dutchie
If I follow your link and select view all (Features)
it will show a PR Bar
So what's new?
I was away for a few days
So are we commenting on a new toolbar as per that link
But if so the new one has also a PR bar
Therefore I guess we still do not know how the real final one will look
| 12:24 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Some large corporation filed a patent and copyrighted green? |
I heard it's over the word "Toolbar." I think that Microsoft's got that one. Insiders tell me that the next version will be called the GoogleBar.
I also heard that Google didn't like the fact that the bar was only green. I've heard the next version is going be a continuous spectrum from white to black. Then Google's going after anyone using their colors! All 32 billion!
| 12:37 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Well, it finally happened. They just decided to penalize the whole lot of us! ;)
| 12:51 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Did it come back that time with a major PR update, or was it mostly unchanged? |
It was years ago, and I've poured through my past business journals and I didn't mention anything about it, just going on memory here. Sorry, can't remember specifics.
| 12:54 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|seriously PR is silly its the whats in the logs that count |
I completely agree with you here, but the unfortunate issue is that most webmasters have "PR" on the brain and that's all they care about. Until their mindset changes, we have to keep feeding them what they want to get what we want.
| 1:05 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|...losing $10,000 on a adwords campaign when a affiliate cancled my account and never paid me on the proceeds |
Kevin, the affiliate veterans here, including myself, have all been where you are now at some point in our respective careers. We have all gotten the shaft from an advertiser, and the money is always substantial. Just remember that you delivered because of your talent and you can do it again. Focus on what you do well, not on what didn't. You don't have to lose your condo. You have the talent to make $10k in two weeks, if needed, and you need it right now.
Write out your objectives and your plan of action, turn off the cell phone and other distractions and get to work and it will happen for you. This is how I got out of my situation, and I am sure others will have similar stories. You just have to change the negative self-talk into positive and then get the work done.
I wish you well on your return!
| 1:21 pm on May 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I still dont get how pagerank is that important considering it can be faked (referring to the thread I got a pagerank 10 and it only cost me 10 dollars)