| 5:20 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Just imagine if it stayed grey. An entire cottage industry built around selling PR would die overnight. There are quite a few people sweating bullets right now. ;)
Me thinks there are server issues on Google's side and that PageRank will probably reappear shortly.
[edited by: pageoneresults at 5:21 pm (utc) on May 28, 2005]
| 5:21 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
i've been using firefox for almost a year and only open up explorer to check a site's pagerank or to watch flash animations.
if visible pr is gone that is me just getting one step closer to abandoning explorer alltogether :)
| 5:23 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Larry and Sergey have made the transition to the dark side and now are sith lords.. |
|I couldn't care a less about pr.. |
Let me re-phrase that for you...
Larry and Sergey couldn't care less
With a few billion in the bank would you? I wouldn't ;)
| 5:26 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
There was talk before the IPO of Google dropping page rank because Stanford still held the patent and they would have to pay. But it's just a glitch, this has happened before.
| 6:31 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Hmm, just a glitch? It's been gone for over 12 hours. That's more than enough time to reboot a couple thousand servers. More than enough time to restore from whatever backup system they use...
Me thinks that this is a pretty big glitch and we might wind up with a PageRank update because they're rerunning all the numbers. What else could possibly take so long?
| 6:50 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm just imagining the implications right now. SEO will then become more an art than a science and for someone just now trying to get into this space forget it. Those of us with good memories of what sites were what will have a leg up at least in the short term.
Analytics will begin to play a larger role and other sources of information will need to be relied upon when initiating discussion or strategic partnerships, whether to take on a new client, determining if a site has been banned for instance.
| 6:51 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|But it's just a glitch, this has happened before. |
Yes, I remember this happening before around the time of Florida.
| 6:56 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"An entire cottage industry built around selling PR would die overnight."
Only just the words. The cottage industry would get an enormous boost if the PR display stays gone. Text link selling will at least double and probably much more than that. PR will continue to exist whether the toolbar shows it or not, and now every blog spamming twit will point to their thousands of backlinks and say "look at all my backlinks, I have high internal PR, buy links from me".
| 7:01 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>"look at all my backlinks, I have high internal PR, buy links from me.
...but the impact of manipulating google's real PR would be lessened. Something I think Google would want to see, Particularly over the long term.
| 7:04 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It might be due to an email I sent them.
The PR is calculated wrong in some cases.
Some have figured out that a Re-write will alter the PR in some cases.
This alteration shows a higher PR than should be and is a math problem.
It also may play into the what is known as the 302 problem. Might be related.
Guess they will work it out.
| 7:06 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Google would get millions of webmasters' trust back if they would just come out now with what happened...
Information is the key to customer service
| 7:14 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'll bet the people who sell text links are getting nervous right about now.
| 7:15 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Even people who don't sell links aren't feeling good now...
[edited by: ShunT at 7:17 pm (utc) on May 28, 2005]
| 7:17 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
damn .. now what measure am i going to use when exchanging links!
| 7:28 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Just downloaded the toolbar from toolbar.google.com and the PageRank widget is still there.
I would have thought that if a decision had been made to remove PageRank then it would have been removed from the currently available version.
This page [google.com] still lists the benefits of seeing PageRank.
My money says it will come back.
| 7:47 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have version 2. Maybe they're trying to update all the toolbars to version 3, the one with the controversial Autolink feature, and they're having problems. Who knows.
| 7:49 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
same here in California
was getting worried
reinstalled three times
did the regedit to clear the key in registry....kicked my norton internet security around a bit...deleted dll in Google folder....man...feel neked without that lil green bar
even tried spittin on the keyboard.
thinking maybe it's just Google
(has fingers crossed)
lemmie introduce myself
My name is Wes
I have known about WW for sometime now...just so happens I decided it was high time to register.
with 38 domains out there I stay pretty busy
(waves to everyone)
[edited by: speaks2all at 7:56 pm (utc) on May 28, 2005]
| 7:55 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
At the toolbar.google.com URL, they used to have PageRank on the screenshot. They have since removed it.
| 7:59 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>.. now what measure am i going to use when exchanging links!
DMOZ and Y! directory will get a lot more attention from webmasters if PR stays awol.
| 8:07 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Fortunately about a month ago I built a database of the PR of 700,000 sites... Sounds like I need to start "lastknownpr dot com" LOL
| 8:08 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Incorrect bears5122, they never had it on the toolbar preview, and it's still on the "features" page.
Please don't add to this mess and give people the wrong information...
| 8:16 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Wrong information? The international pages still have the old screenshots on it, take a look.
I would put some merit into the fact that the old pages promote pagerank and the new ones don't.
| 8:28 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Cache from May 23rd has no PR bar in preview....
Features list has Pagerank bar: [google.com...]
Tour has Pagerank bar:
I think you've taken this a bit too far, sorry.
| 8:30 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
you people are like vultures over this PR thing.. get a grip already sheesh. if you rely so much on a PR then your site probably sucks without a PR. a good maintained site doesn't need a PR to indicate its value.
| 8:42 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"...but the impact of manipulating google's real PR would be lessened"
I don't see how you can say that. The impact of any manipulation in the past or the future is a very imprecise thing.
What we do know is that whatever ranking reasons people bought links, those still exist. Obviously there should be no reason at all for link buying to lessen... or actually, the only "lessening" impact is some people will throw up their arms and say "this is too hard for me to figure out, I give up, I'm not going to try to rank". That group will be small though. Way more than counterbalancing that are all the mega-link sites with either PR0ed white bars or that weren't passing pagerank at all, who will now promote themselves as authorities and get in the game.
The bottom line is high quality links matter. If one way to judge value of links disappears, it just means more imprecise guessing will occur, volume of demand will go up, prices will go up, etc. It's inevitable.
If there are ten envelopes holding money in a hat, and you can pay $10 for any enevelope, and if they are all labeled with the amounts inside, you would buy one labeled with more than $10. If however none of them are labeled, to get the value in the envelopes, you have to guess which are the best ones to buy based on whatever other criteria you can come up with. Not a great example, but the bottom line is a few high PR sites will be hurt, while tons of PR0 and middling PR sites can now get in the game.
If the PR display does go away, it is the birth of a large industry and the death of a small one.
| 8:49 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
As we all knew, it was only a matter of time something went down with the PR.
In all honesty, the PR ranking had lost it merrit years back.
I just feel bad for the big timer PR sellers. Too much money was made with PR manipulation and such anyhow.
I watched big time link brokers spoof sites all day long, then 6 months later sell PR8 links for tons of dollars. It was fun while it lasted ;)
Then again, the PR has gone dead in the past so it may sprout back up.
Google Owns You!:)jk
| 9:10 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>.. now what measure am i going to use when exchanging links!
NOW what measure are we going to use to ensure we are not "linking into bad neighborhoods!" We try to follow all the rules to be a good little website, but G just KEEPS on changing them.
| 9:21 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Maybe so many websites got innocently penalised due to scrapper sites and the new trustrank that messed up Googles entire index... Googles bright engineers thought, lets not update the Pagerank... lets remove it alltogether.
That way Google won't have to answer thousands of emails from websites asking why their Pagerank no longer shows and why good sites have their search positions gone... and the shareholders won't realise that Google has lost its ability to rank sites like they used to.
Are they covering up for their own mess... hiding the mess under the carpet i wonder?
| 9:32 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Google's bright engineers thought, the webs changing so much why not just adopt the technology [delayedsearch.com...] uses...
| 9:37 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I wonder if they're going to the conference :)
| 9:53 pm on May 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
delayed search . com
That is funny! I just came here to post something funny too. I just had a link partner send me an email telling me that I was removed from their site because I have a penalty on Goooooogles PR system.
I thought, "wow what a 'system' and did he just send this email to all of his link partners?"
The funniest thing is that I'm on the top of goooooogle and yahoooo for the same keywords that both our sites are about...?