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Google Deskbar
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msg:1106002
 10:33 pm on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

A fantastic new feature introduced by Google Labs!

Googling without a browser. I really like this one...

[toolbar.google.com...]

The Google Deskbar is a free software download that appears as a search box in the Windows taskbar at the bottom right of most Windows-based PCs. Users enter queries into the search box and results are automatically displayed in a small pane that rises above the Deskbar and overlays a corner of the application they’re using.

 

killroy




msg:1106092
 7:39 pm on Nov 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

For that matter I've wondered if they could install the deskbar through auto update on the toolbar.

SN

HughMungus




msg:1106093
 7:40 pm on Nov 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

That is a potential big-deal. Rumours are rampant on the new longhorn that it might incorporate search on the desktop and possibly blurring the distinction between files on one's harddisk & on the internet for SERPS.

Right, so, like I said, it's a marketing move, not a functional one.

HughMungus




msg:1106094
 7:42 pm on Nov 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

Once Google launch their own browser they can auto update all the Google plug-ins on IE with a warning that the software will stop working on IE soon and that they need to go get their copy of Google browser. I'm sure this is on the agenda. They just need enough features to make the swap irresistable.

Highly unlikely. Most people don't give a crap what browswer they use as long as it takes them wherever they want to go.

Tropical Island




msg:1106095
 11:39 pm on Nov 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

We have 0.5.64 .
Is there an update button or do you just download it again?
If so do you have to uninstall the old version?

Brad




msg:1106096
 12:06 am on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Most people don't give a crap what browswer

Any Google browser would not be aimed at "most people" it would be aimed at webmasters and SEO's so they can watch that little PR indicator.

If MS shuts down the toolbar, then a Google browser could hold the PR indicator. All speculation, but if they really want to keep the SEO's entranced then they will release some gizmo with the PR thingy on it.

Kerrin




msg:1106097
 12:37 am on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Urm, it's been done before. I've been using this taskbar [notesbydave.com] for a while now and it's been around since 2001 [web.archive.org]. Google's version is hardly ground breaking.

HughMungus




msg:1106098
 12:41 am on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

If MS shuts down the toolbar

Do you mean if MS disabled the Google toolbar?

Chndru




msg:1106099
 1:13 am on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

..<G rep>..would not comment on whether Google is working on a program that will search within a user's computer.

Google fends off M$- [nypost.com...]
..advertising links on the top of results page take up a bigger portion of the window. He said relevant ads will more likely get clicked on.

Google unveils latest weapon- [bayarea.com...]

Dramatic press coverage on G-deskbar!

Brad




msg:1106100
 1:54 am on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Do you mean if MS disabled the Google toolbar?

Sure, if MS closes off the ability to add third party toolbars in future releases of IE. Why would MS let other search engines add toolbars if MS launches their own search engine?

RobbieD




msg:1106101
 2:54 am on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think the new Google Deskbar is great but I think the media is going overboard with calling this a weapon. Let's remember that it is still integrated within Windows. My guess it this deskbar will not work in the new MS OS.

Maybe a weapon against Yahoo! but MS... not going to happen in the long run IMO

dmorison




msg:1106102
 3:50 am on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

From the FAQ:


Does the Google Deskbar send information about my searches to Google?

No

Huh?

wifi on the fly




msg:1106103
 5:03 am on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Puffin owns. Hopefully someone someday comes along and comes up with something that will put the boots to Micro$oft.

Cheers to the Google team who actually beat M$ to the punch on this one. Google is developing good stuff while Micro$oft goes out and puts bountys on virus coders heads. (strange they don't dump that $5M into patching their crap)

Off topic remark, but again go Google.

killroy




msg:1106104
 3:03 pm on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Oh, and in addittion to the xe converters, let's not forget bablefish:

Translate English to German
[babelfish.altavista.com...]

Translate English to Italian
[babelfish.altavista.com...]

And so on...

SN

SlyOldDog




msg:1106105
 3:39 pm on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think plenty of people would convert to a Google browser, not least because it would be way cooler than IE. And that would only be expedited if Google turned off the IE plugins so all the cool stuff was only available in Google's own browser.

Now Google will IPO, they could do greedy things like show adsense ads directly on the browser. No need to make partnership deals and pay publishers to display their ads ;)

Big Brother is coming :)

mcavic




msg:1106106
 9:39 pm on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

they could do greedy things like show adsense ads directly on the browser

No no, that would be totally uncool :)

sun818




msg:1106107
 10:26 pm on Nov 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you look at Stock Quotes (Ctrl+Q), Google has selected specific companies to partner with. When the "define" feature came out, they used WordNet 2.0 on a .edu site. Why not the same for Stock Quotes? If the motivation to include commercial web sites is monetary, I am saddened by this.

mincklerstraat




msg:1106108
 8:42 am on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've switched to using Linux as my main system because of its fabulous desktop switching (can't understand how I kept anything organized without it now - the MS Power Tools Virtual Desktop desktop switcher is really buggy), and really, the main thing, if not the only thing, that I miss from Windows is the google toolbar. The buttons that navigate you from search term to search on a page are a fantastic help that the google box in Thunderbird just doesn't match.

And now you 'doze users all get this cool little toolie thing in your taskbar. Sheesh, some things just ain't fair.

I'm no MS hater, and kept to Windows for a long time since I had to see that everything worked in ie anyways. But then I started desktop switching. Life as I once knew it is now like a pale nostagia for the days of Space Aliens and cassette recorders now that stuff on my virtual screens is finally organized, and work seems actually to happen.

But I miss my Google Toolbar!

dougb




msg:1106109
 4:11 pm on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you look at Stock Quotes (Ctrl+Q), Google has selected specific companies to partner with. When the "define" feature came out, they used WordNet 2.0 on a .edu site. Why not the same for Stock Quotes? If the motivation to include commercial web sites is monetary, I am saddened by this.

I doubt they took payola for these features -- they haven't it the past, as far as I can tell. The
"define" feature is way more evil. They actually do scrape commercial and other copyrighted sources in addition to WordNet. This cuts out of the loop the webmasters who poured time and energy and money into creating their glossaries, using the fruits of their labor without their prior authorization or even awareness.

jpavery




msg:1106110
 4:16 pm on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

a feature I would like is the KWs appear in the google tool bar when IE is launched.

rise2it




msg:1106111
 4:26 pm on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Keep in mind, Kiddies, that a big reason the Google search engine got to the top is that it had a certain 'coolness' factor.

Don't estimate 'coolness'....if Google actually were to launch their own browser, this alone could make it competitive to MS.

rise2it




msg:1106112
 4:27 pm on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

typo....and blew my point, which was:

Don't UNDERestimate the coolness factor!

HughMungus




msg:1106113
 9:14 pm on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sure, if MS closes off the ability to add third party toolbars in future releases of IE. Why would MS let other search engines add toolbars if MS launches their own search engine?

You actually think MS would do this? Really?

HughMungus




msg:1106114
 9:16 pm on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think plenty of people would convert to a Google browser, not least because it would be way cooler than IE.

No, they would not. Like I said earlier: Most people don't give a crap what browser they use since they all lead to the same content. Thinking that people will use a Google browser because it is "cool" smacks of 1999.

HughMungus




msg:1106115
 9:18 pm on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you look at Stock Quotes (Ctrl+Q), Google has selected specific companies to partner with. When the "define" feature came out, they used WordNet 2.0 on a .edu site. Why not the same for Stock Quotes? If the motivation to include commercial web sites is monetary, I am saddened by this.

Because Google is in business to make money, not to be your friend or to be cool. It will get even worse after they IPO and have stockholders hounding them to increase their shareholder value. Mobs have no conscience.

Chndru




msg:1106116
 9:19 pm on Nov 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

>You actually think MS would do this? Really?
Naw. Give M$ some credit. They aint that bad :)

for someone who owns 90+% of desktops, they are humble enough

SlyOldDog




msg:1106117
 10:30 am on Nov 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

No, they would not. Like I said earlier: Most people don't give a crap what browser they use since they all lead to the same content. Thinking that people will use a Google browser because it is "cool" smacks of 1999.

Hey man - you work for Microsoft or something?

All browsers DON'T lead to the same content. The search button on IE leads to MSN, and if Google disables the toolbar on IE then there won't be a quick shortcut to Google SERPs.

HughMungus




msg:1106118
 5:45 pm on Nov 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

No, I don't work for Microsoft.

You're saying that you think that (a) Microsoft will disable toolbars and (b) Google will disable its toolbar on IE? That just doesn't sound realistic to me. Google is in the search business not the software business.

sun818




msg:1106119
 6:45 pm on Nov 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

Found a slight quirk in the Deskbar. If you highlight an word in your browser, then focus on the Deskbar, it is the highlightem word plus a space.

So "blue widget" appears as "blue widget " on the Deskbar. This goofs up custom searches.

Can anyone else confirm?

Toasted




msg:1106120
 4:33 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Interesting that Findwhat.com have:

Disallow: /results.asp

...in their robots text file.

But I still got it to work ok - not sure what the original person's problem was... I just have:

[findwhat.com...]

ctsolutions




msg:1106121
 10:43 am on Nov 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't want to just echo the others who've pointed out DQSD and its multitude of built-in searches, but it shoudl be noted that it already does put the calculator results right in the search box (as requested) and it allows the user to configure not only custom searches and shortcut commands (ie % means search ebay, comma (,) searches google groups,! is like I'm feeling lucky, etc. The user can also customize the look.

I would suggest that google look into adding a couple of things similar to DQSD if they're not there already, namely:

* have it show the clock when not in use, so you can disable the windows clock and save space (the pop-up calendar on right-click is nice too)
* DQSD uses Windows-S to set focus to the search box, which is really nice as it doesn't conflict with anything (though that is, of course, configurable)
* the ability to easily (like CTRL-P or up arrow) repeat or modify a previous search-or even search your past searches!-is surprisingly useful

It may not be a brand-new idea but hey, the more contributions to good ideas the better.

geoapa




msg:1106122
 2:44 pm on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

We have 0.5.64 .
Is there an update button or do you just download it again?
If so do you have to uninstall the old version?

From the FAQs:

"The Google Deskbar checks Google daily to see if a new version is available and will inform you when an update is released. The Google Deskbar does not automatically update itself, but you can choose to install the most recent update at any time."

has anyone been informed yet of an update yet? I installed
0.5.67 Beta and have not been informed of an update.

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