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Frank_Rizzo

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Msg#: 46 posted 2:42 pm on Jun 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

I donwloaded the toolbar. What exactly is it telling me about sites which I browse.

If I look at mysite and click on each page the page ranking goes from 0 to about 50%.

What is it ranking against?

If my site is all about widgets then how does it know to rank on widgets? I havent asked it to find pages on widgets I just click home and drill down.

 

tigger

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Msg#: 46 posted 2:46 pm on Jun 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Frank

You should get most of your answers here

[webmasterworld.com...]

wangdy

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Msg#: 46 posted 2:48 pm on Jun 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Welcome Frank,

Check this out... [toolbar.google.com...] it says your pages are ranked versus the google db.

As for the changes in the ranking when you drill down, that's where the 'art' of SEO comes into play...

Frank_Rizzo

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Msg#: 46 posted 3:36 pm on Jun 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Phhow! so much reading.

I still cant find the answer though.

If I have a site that makes apple pies. I switch on my PC, go to my home page. The toolbar says PR5.

Now what is it basing that 5 on? It is relevant to what?

I'm not trying to be dumb here. I just can't grasp what the 5 figure is indicating in this instance.

I understand that if I drill down the google directory and then I can see that my page is relevant to that section. I understand that if I put in seach terms then it shows pages and their relevance to those terms but as I say, what is it basing its ranking on if I just switch on, fire up browser and go to home page?

Black Knight

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Msg#: 46 posted 3:43 pm on Jun 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

PR is about link pop - not about relevance per se.

The Google algo finds relevance and the results are then jiggled in ordering to acount for PR differences.

You search for 'apple pies' and google's algo finds all the sites relevant to apple pies - then it factors in page rank to find the ordering.

There is an additional (not purely PR) function to evaluate sites not yet spidered purely on the words used in links to that site, which also helps sites that have been indexed rank higher.

brotherhood of LAN

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Msg#: 46 posted 3:46 pm on Jun 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Frank

PR is just really a score....and the toolbar is a way of nicely packaging the number to see.

The PR for pages on your site are intended to measure important..i.e. google is PR10 Yahoo PR9 WMW PR7 etc

The pagerank "5" you see is just an indicator of pagerank on a scale of ten - where in fact, pagerank is a raw number. Not that you need to know the intricacies of the raw number and how it is calculated just now but........

when you see people talking about getting recip links...think pagerank! ;)

vitaplease

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Msg#: 46 posted 3:53 pm on Jun 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

It is relevant to what?

It is relevant to all other web-pages on the WWW indexed by Google.
Seen by itself it rates the specific page you are on in comparison to other pages on the WWW and indexed by Google.

The digit in the Toolbar goes from 0 to 10. Its the toolbar pagerank.
You have 50% or a pagerank of 5. That is reasonably good.

Google just decided to rank webpages based on the importance and the number of links toward each page. The more links the better, and the higher the pagerank of the page of that link the better.

They use a formula for counting and evaluating these links. This adds up to a specific number for each webpage in the Google index. This number is the actual pagerank. Google then tiered the actual pagerank numbers of all the indexed webpages into a logarithmic scale.
For example you may need 6 to 10 times the same amount and quality of links to go from toolbar pagerank 5 to 6.

For the few websearchers who use the toolbar and look at it and understand it, it could be a way of rating your site.

For example a PR0 page may be frowned apon.
A greyed-out toolbar means the site is not in the Google index.
As you read through the different threads on this subject here, you will understand that it helps your own pagerank to get a link from a high pageranked page.
If that link is motivated by a link-text description, you tend to end up higher in rankings for the words used in that link-text and more so the higher the pagerank.

Frank_Rizzo

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Msg#: 46 posted 7:43 pm on Jun 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ok, It was becoming clearer but since I visited a certain page it is not.

I have a page in my members area which is generated on the fly each day. Let's say it is a site which generates a recipe of the day.

www.mysite.co.uk/membersarea/todays_recipe.html

Now I just loaded up this page and google rates it 2/10.

How can this be? How does google know what the heck it is about?

There are no inbound links to this page (it's in a private area which googlebot can't crawl), its an on the fly page generated once a day which keeps changing each day.

Today the recipe was apple pie, tomorrow it could be Chicken Tikka.

brotherhood of LAN

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Msg#: 46 posted 7:48 pm on Jun 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>How can this be?

Since no doubt its password protected, the bot would not have been able to get in.

Sometimes the toolbar estimates PR for a page, which seems to usually equate to your home page PR minus 1 for each / in your URL.

/added
which basically means that PR doesnt matter in this instance

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