| 2:03 am on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Greg it looks great. I had a chance to review it but have not signed up. I like the way it rates key phases and words. that aspect, I think its important to track these key pharses\words for ROI. To figure out conversion rates. Maybe we can get someone with more experiance to explain tracking for newbies...
| 4:29 am on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Why not buy a week long membership before considering the year?
| 1:41 pm on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Ive used #*$! and feel that I am unable to build a site now without. Superb.
However I only use teh shortest subscription available, a years hardcore!
| 2:03 pm on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
How do you use it as a site development tool....I'm in the process of laying out a site and want to make sure i do everythingn to make it be seen.
| 11:01 pm on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
what is the url where you can sign up for this tool?
| 12:21 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
just search for the name of the tool as mentioned in the first post. You'll find it.
I've used it and it was helpful.
| 8:00 pm on Sep 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Anytime I see comments like this, it is usually due to a lack of planning and vision. Budget limitations should be restrictive of $10,000 purchase, not a $250.00 one. Get your vision down on paper, know what you want, and what your expected ROI will be, and you will have a better grasp of what you want.
| 12:33 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I use Page Promoter for keyword selection - no annual fee is needed, although the program is a bit more expensive. They use similar mechanisms to WordTracker, although I didn't have a chance to compare the two products.
| 10:00 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
There's a wide variety of keyword research tools out now compared to just a year ago. i divide them up between keyword suggestion tools and keyword analytical tools. Keyword suggestion ones are like Google Suggest or Google keyword Sandbox (I love that name) and of course Overture. Others are keyword analytical tools. Some are software like Keyword Equalizer, Keyword Analyzer, Good Keywords, The Dowser, etc. Others are subscribtion base like Wordtracker, Keyword Discovery, Keyword Intelligence.
I personally use several when I can but rely on Keyword Discovery the most now as they recently added all in url, title and anchor to their competive intelligence. Digital Point offers a free tool that will give you what I call a "dirty" look at keywords using Overture and Wordtracker. One thing to keep in mind is that all the numbers are relative and not absolute. Okay I'll stop now.
| 2:44 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I use WT quite extensively also when building new sites. What I normally do is buy the one day pass, it usually lasts for a couple days and do keyword research on a variety of niches. Save the results out to excel spreadsheets and this gives me a good idea as to what sites to build out based on the keywords.
| 7:28 am on Sep 17, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I used word tracker a few days ago.
1. For getting a good list of keywords related to my topic, I think it is great.
2. However, I have serious doubts as to its accuracy regarding its numbers. For each keyword, it tells you, among other things:
(a) How many times it appeared in their database over the past 120 days, and:
(b) How many times it predicts the keyword will be searched for in all major SE's in next 24 hours.
Well, I compared its results to the stats of my own website, and found that WT's numbers were so off as to be totally useless. (WT themselves admit that their numbers are based on sampling and extrapolation. Too bad they don't give a margin of error!)
Has anyone had similar experiences?
As far as whether it's worth it for you to pay the $250, I would ask myself how often I'd see myself using it? At $7.50 for a daily membership, you could use it 20 times throughout the year and that would be far less than $250. So I guess you need to figure out whether you need it ongoing or just sporadically. Hope that helps.
| 6:38 pm on Sep 19, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thank you for all the good feedback.
I made the decision to purchase WT for the year and have been using it pretty regularly. I am happy with the results...now I just have to wait for my efforts to kick in! :-)
| 2:32 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
greggkh, glad you decided to take the plunge, I love WT and they're currently beta testing some new features to make it even better.
A word of advice though, use several keyword tools at once when you are doing your research. As mentioned earlier WT (Along with most other keyword tools) can have a rather large margin of error. If you compare the same keywords in several different tools it will be easier to spot the skewed results.
| 12:06 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Most of the time people talk about overture suggestion tool, #*$!, etc..
I am looking for a tool that can provide some or all of the features below:
- Ability to check where my site ranks on main SEs for a specific search term.
So, I enter BLUE WIDGETS, then it will show " you are 3rd on google, 5th on Yahoo, etc.."
- Ability to check what keywords are generating more traffic to my competitors.
- Ability to check what sites are generating more traffic to my competitors.
The best of all, would be a tool that would test scenarios for changes on my SEO strategy. Let's say I used to say BLUE WIDGET and want to change DISCOUNT WIDGET, then program would show me the expected trend.
Thanks a lot
| 12:33 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Ok there are a few tools that provide this sort of competitive intelligence data, some more so covering what you need.
have a look at:
each tool covers the referral parts (search term and site referrals), KD covers the SEO tracking to an extent and PPC bid rankings at present.
| 6:06 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Check out my post in msg #10 of the thread below. "WT" is a very pretty tool with a very small database, and it's very prone to errors. It has some virtues, but anyone who uses it exclusively to make targeting decisions had really better rethink their strategy.
The best keyword tool?
[edited by: mona at 8:49 pm (utc) on Oct. 4, 2005]
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| 5:20 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Well I went and got a 1 day sub to #*$! -- because it is a long weekend here, it seems the sub lasts for the weekend. Anyway I can see the immense value of this. For instance, my keyword phrase that I thought was soooo great has a -12000 kei rank. Duh!
However, I have plowed through and found a nice keyword phrase that has a a +19200 kei ranking. I also found a good one with a +539 ranking.
| 8:07 pm on Oct 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This is an overly simplistic measure. It would be great if life and search were this easy, but they're not. Again, it's a rough indicator with a very nice interface, but don't depend on it.
| 9:33 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Also note that WT gets it's results primarily from the Dogpile logs. Dogpile is a niche search engine. It's demographic skews toward techie types. This means that some common middle-America keyphrases will be underrepresented in WT and common tech-centric phrases will be overrepresented.
It's important to think of that with any keyword tool. If the Overture tool is to be trusted then you have to consider the Yahoo audience. With WT it's the Dogpile/Metacrawler audience. As much as I like Keyword Discovery I hate that they don't disclose the sources of their data, for all I know it's compiling searches from loads of crappy engines that the average user doesn't really use.
| 11:18 pm on Oct 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
KeywordDiscovery does disclose its data sources, just go to the home page, there is a link there to 170 search engines world wide, where a full list of engines is provided.
| 10:45 am on Oct 31, 2005 (gmt 0)|
If you are all saying it is not bad/not good then why not just use the free trial and never sign up - any reasons why not.
| 10:42 am on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Because the free trial is limited in features, but for general use, sure its good enough.
| 9:37 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I've been using Word Tracker for 3 or 4 years now. In the past 6 or 8 months (or more?), it seems that their database may have gotten smaller.
I did some checking and found that many searches I did on WT a year or so ago now come up with a much smaller search count than they did then. I mean significantly less.
However, I still find WT useful - especially since I'm used to it. However, am trying out Keyword Discovery and like it pretty well. If I could justify the expense, I'd subscribe to both.
| 4:49 am on Nov 16, 2005 (gmt 0)|
if you are a current WT user, KD offers a 30% discount for WT users, check the pricing plan page for a link to the WordTracker discount offer.
| 8:40 pm on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I used #*$! with the 1 day pass and like most things beginning webmasters are encouraged to spend money on, there are many free alternatives.
Getting and adwords account and using it's traffic estimator is, IMO one of the best tools out there, and aside from a 5 dollar setup fee it's practically free.
Aside form getting a good idea of traffic to expect you can also find out how much people in your niche are spending to get traffic for that keyword. This is a very important thing to know if you are planning to monetize your site.
Plus if you are getting into webmastery you are probably going to need an adwords account sooner of later anyway.
The overture tool is good too, though slower and not as in-depth.
That KEI thingy is pretty easy to simulate if it is important to you, really I don't think many people are very confident in it. There are important factors it doesn't take into consideration.
| 10:53 pm on Nov 17, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|That KEI thingy is pretty easy to simulate if it is important to you, really I don't think many people are very confident in it. There are important factors it doesn't take into consideration. |
I agree. I don't look at it much because it doesn't take into account other important factors. It just looks at how many sites are "competing" vs. how many searches. You have to go look at the search results to see which sites are competing - more important than "how many sites", imho.