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BBC Launches search engine
Brett_Tabke




msg:262387
 8:03 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

As mentioned here a few months ago, the BBC has launched it's own search engine.
[bbc.co.uk...]

Our search service isn't here to make any money, so our results are the ones that best match your search words - not the ones advertisers want you to see.

 

msgraph




msg:262388
 8:09 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Smells like Google

NFFC




msg:262389
 8:14 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

It is Google, but holds promise for the future, imho

topr8




msg:262390
 8:15 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

thanks for the heads up ... its a good attitude and naturally i'm pleased after checking a couple of my keywords,

it is still only a trial though isn't it, /tryout/ is a bit of a giveaway, the search on the home page defaults to a search of the bbc website.

if it gives good results i imagine word will spread and make it an even more important web destination.

hopefully they will invest a lot more in the web side of things including search ... there is of course internal debate about wether they should even be on the web in that is it proper broadcast within their remit

topr8




msg:262391
 8:20 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

google but with a filter, it has filtered out .de results from my quick test search

heini




msg:262392
 8:24 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

>filtered out .de results
exactly, while french are in. What about other languages - Spanish, Portuguese, Russsian...?

msgraph




msg:262393
 8:28 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Spanish (Spain and LA) are in. Guess they have something against Germany?

angiolo




msg:262394
 8:29 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

>filtered out .de results

???

I don't think so: try "reisen"

Italian dominion are not filtered too.

stever




msg:262395
 8:33 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Don't agree it's Google - very different (more subject-relevant?) results - whatever it is, I like it...

topr8




msg:262396
 8:42 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>>try "reisen"

yes .de not filtered as such but german language pages are filtered out.

heini




msg:262397
 8:43 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Angiolo, right, perhaps it's more that my sites are filtered out...

Anyway, looks very beta. If this is really Google BBC has applied some very strange filters.

Napoleon




msg:262398
 8:47 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yup, certainly Google. I also see this though as a BIG deal. Why? Because it is a safety net.

It is a safety net for if/when Google and the rest of the free search world sells out. It is there to rank sites on content when the rest of the search world has been polluted itself via deep pockets.

On the other side of the equation, it is there to deliver what the public want... whether they currently see it or not. At present most don't see it, but down stream? Think about how Google actually emerged.

Assuming big budgets eventually prevail on commercial search engines, who is to say that this will not become the Google of the future? A search engine snubbing short term gain for pure returns? Sounds familiar? Sounds a bit like Google circa 96/97?

At the very least it should serve as a warning to commercial search (I wrote that in the last thread... tell me if I'm boring!). A warning that if you sell out totally your days as a major search player may after all be numbered.

Maybe it comes through in the words above, but I for one would LOVE the Beeb step in like this and help keep true search alive. They are one of only a few who have the independence and the clout to do it... and they are making all the right noises.

Rock on Beeb!

brotherhood of LAN




msg:262399
 9:30 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

>safety net

as long as the british taxpayer feels it is worth it

EliteWeb




msg:262400
 9:54 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Any AddURL going on with this site?

caine




msg:262401
 10:14 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

It is google. I can't see any difference, but then again i'm not involved with regionals, other than UK.

keyplyr




msg:262402
 10:41 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I can't see any difference

Well I can, at least on the search I did. Where my site is #3 on Google for a certain KW, I'm #6 here with an additional 3 UK domains above me that are "BBCi Recommended". Sites I've never seen before.

carlwright




msg:262403
 10:44 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Seems like a funny version of Google if it is - none of our sites are in the list, and they appear well in the main google. Also, every implementation of the Google result set i've ever seen has a Google credit appearing somewhere - this I don't see here. Anyone found a submit page?

Alby




msg:262404
 11:44 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

It is much more "fresh" than Google. Some new urls I just made yesterday are already in there. I was surprised to see them there already to say the least...

msgraph




msg:262405
 11:57 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Where is the "Powered By Google?" I thought that has to be displayed when someone licenses their data...

przero




msg:262406
 11:58 pm on May 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

The home page of one of my #1 ranking sites from Google isn't showing up in the results. But a second level page is. Hmmm...

Crazy_Fool




msg:262407
 12:08 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

definitely google, but with some results filtered out.
for the most part, results are identical to google.com (same sites, same order), but the odd site here and there has been removed.

the bbc search pages say they use "family friendly" filtering - i went to check the google filters and they now have 3 options instead of just the two - they may well have implemented other filers for the bbc and other partners...

mundonet




msg:262408
 4:29 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

"it should serve as a warning to commercial search..." - Napoleon

Agree, my hope is that not for profit honest search engines will multiply and eventually force commercial ones to clearly mark their paid listings as such and stop the abuse.

chiyo




msg:262409
 4:40 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Not sure exactly how they are filtering google results but from 30 mins or so of checking our keywords it seems somehow that the more obvious commercial spins are missing.. 100% affiliate sites, advertising supported directories, there just seems to be less commercial content overall, some listings in the foreign language WORLD ODP directory are missing, but am offering this as just one person searching a very limited and specific sets of reults. However if anybody else sees this, we may have some basis for generalising!

chiyo




msg:262410
 4:43 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Many thanks to the British taxpayer! The Brits have always provided a good service to the world with their BBC world service and news etc. Imperialism still rules the (air)waves. I dunno, but I would think that many people have more positive views on Britain after using their service and is well worth the investment by British taxpayers.

wolfy




msg:262411
 7:28 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Results are the same than Google with English as "search language" in the preferences and "any language" "any country" in the Language Tools.

Robert Charlton




msg:262412
 7:31 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Mainly American results, though... must make the Brits feel like Canadians. ;)

4eyes




msg:262413
 7:35 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

.. must make the Brits feel like Canadians

Nah - its our TV that makes us feel like Canadians.

Am I the only Brit who doesn't like Frasier of Friends?

nwilson




msg:262414
 7:38 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Being Brittish and living in Denmark I'm rather fond of the BBC as it is a much needed link to home.

I think it looks pretty smart, and they say it is 'family friendly' which is very much in keeping with what you would expect.

They could tie this in with all kinds of stuff and even jiggle the results to provide a less English oriented search for the BBC world service side of things...

Anyone know if this was developed themselves or if they license?

Nick

Josk




msg:262415
 8:02 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

It seems biased towards the bbc's output and film/tv media. Trying a search on s*x is interesting...

NetGrease




msg:262416
 9:27 am on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I agree that there's no doubt it's Google - all results for my target terms are the same, bar the exclusion of indented results from the same site that Google shows.

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