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UK Plus - how are you doing getting listed?
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Msg#: 3 posted 8:58 pm on Jun 18, 2000 (gmt 0)

I've spend a long time trying to get one site listed in UK Plus without success, perhaps because it has a .com address. I know some directories reject .com domains but not this one - I have been informed.
Selecting "The Web" search option on UK Plus takes you to Infoseek UK which, surprisingly, has updated it's index recently. However, it's the UK Plus search I'm interested in.
Is getting listed on UK Plus worthwhile?
Once you are in, what traffic have you seen?

 

oldtimer

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Msg#: 3 posted 11:15 pm on Jun 18, 2000 (gmt 0)

They do accept .com as long as they can see that it's built in or about the UK
I've had 2 .coms accepted and one co.uk - about which they printed an unwarrented derogatory description.
Any others they don't seem to want to know about - they take forever anyway.

Is getting listed on UK Plus worthwhile?

No

Once you are in, what traffic have you seen?

None!

adamcmoran

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Msg#: 3 posted 9:16 am on Jul 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

They have finally started to accepted my clients sites but it is near impossible to find them the more words you put in to find a client in the search box it comes back with no results.
I don't like it personally as it is very difficult to get worthwhile results.

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Msg#: 3 posted 1:48 pm on Jul 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

Welcome to the forums adamcmoran!
I've had to watch closely the entry description. Sometimes it has spilling orrors and that does not help.
Did you locate your client with ANY success?

adamcmoran

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Msg#: 3 posted 2:03 pm on Jul 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

Sorry about the typing errors I'm usually in a rush. Sometimes it is only possible to see the listing by typing in the company name which isn't much use.


adamcmoran

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Msg#: 3 posted 2:07 pm on Jul 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

OOps I thought you were telling me off for spelling things wrong in the forum but you were commenting on UKPlus wonderful Spellings

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Msg#: 3 posted 5:21 pm on Jul 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

Nooooo, not telling you off - don't do that thing!

I am referring to UK Plus. :)

One of the mispellings in UK Plus is so wrong, it suggests the business is located in a different country (if you don't read it carefully).

I tried to get the site edited and ended up having the site removed altogether. E v e n t u a l l y, I go the site back in, with another srawling irror! Grrr.

oldtimer

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Msg#: 3 posted 9:51 pm on Jul 6, 2000 (gmt 0)

I really think UK Plus is a waste of space and effort..

Considering how long they've been in existence, they really have little choice on a search. You may say that it's good to be the only one found - but

1 they frequently take eons for a search page to load
2 the add url often isn't working, or it's not obvious whether it has or not
3 their spelling is dreadful
4 there are no holds barred when it comes to their descriptions

I have 2 clients' sites accepted and I rather wish they hadn't been. Who would want:

"Scrappy little web site advertising *** horsey gear. Some catalogue pics, otherwise bare address/phone number for distributors in 10 countries. For the two UK suppliers, you get no more than an e-mail address."

- and then they put it in the wrong subcategory - no it wasn't my mistake ;)

It's not a brilliant site but it's certainly not as bad as that

and
"What seems to be an American-based "program" of language courses - it also talks about "travelers" - designed to help out on holiday, business or backpacking is actually based in Somerset"

(The owner wanted US spelling so that the site was not considered to be UK)

It is no advantage to have those listed as sole (or even among 2 or 3) results

- the 2nd site is a .com

Edited by: oldtimer

adamcmoran

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Msg#: 3 posted 9:31 am on Jul 7, 2000 (gmt 0)

Ahhhh I am sick of them yet again I waste my time with them. I thought I'd check to see if my client was there using there business name first, no results,key phrase = no results the url just in case as we all know they are pretty naff at indexing appropriately. Oh know ok they are not in there. Right I'll resubmit, five mins later click on OK
Sorry this url already exists in our database


What KNOW IT DOES NOT if I can't find it how on earth is a user ever going to find it .

This happened with all our clients I ahve always always had to send an e-mail to Bob Coole to say this url is in but it is not. It is such a pain and a waste of my time.
Maybe we could start a new topic about slagging off Uk plus Iam sure it will get many responces.
ADAM

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Msg#: 3 posted 3:13 pm on Jul 7, 2000 (gmt 0)

OK, UK Plus is used by other portals so there is value in getting listed - eventually.
I know and understand the problems you are having.
My suggestion would be to contact them and explain the problems, in writing, so they can attend to them.
You never know when the listing could work out to your clients' benefit.
Come back and let us know one way or the other.

oldtimer

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Msg#: 3 posted 4:50 pm on Jul 7, 2000 (gmt 0)

I've had the same problem as adamcmoran. Site not indexed but couldn't resubmit as it apparently was. This was last year. I wrote to them - 6 months later (literally) it reappeared.

The owner of 'the scrappy little site' was livid and wrote to them (politely) asking them to change it. They totally ignored him.

Whatever the hassles and the apparent ignorance of the members of the hierarchy of a directory, we will continue to try to get listed in the offchance that they might be useful.


Videoman

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Msg#: 3 posted 8:30 pm on Jul 7, 2000 (gmt 0)

I have found that my referals, since the advent of Silver Stream in Dec/Jan has dropped off. I also wrote and Spoke to Bob Coole , who was very helpful but it still doesnt work well.
Example- You have a video tape you want to have some copies from- type in Video Duplication - I dont get a mention but type in Duplication and I'm a single listing. I've given up on them -nice people..... shame about the engine!!!
They spent a fortune on TV advertising just like Excite and Lycos and as with all three the performance is indifferent!

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Msg#: 3 posted 11:49 pm on Jul 7, 2000 (gmt 0)

I must have to agree with you on poor quality and inaccuracy.

However, I will defend one aspect, these are FREE listings. I've seen many threads about "free" listings and what one can expect from a listing of this nature. In most araes of commerce, nothing comes for free. It costs someone, somewhere, something.

The poor quality will eventually result in either a failure or an investment. We'll never know what it will be until it happens. Just remember one thing, if you feel it's not worth it don't bother. Until you've spent your time helping them get the entries right, you'll probably never know.

Their "terms of use" describe the limits of their policies and the submissions page is quite open about unacceptable descriptions and what to do.

Videoman. Looks like you've put every effort into making this work and, apparently, it's not working. I know we've spoken about this (amongst others) before, a long time back. Do your site logs show nothing at all from the listing?

I checked the listing on your site. Have you checked to see if "video duplication" appears on your page and keywords? Unless I'm looking at the wrong site, "duplication" appears on the page and in the keywords, but not "video duplication."

Videoman

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Msg#: 3 posted 7:56 am on Jul 8, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Engine
Firstly, I totally agree with your comments about these services being free. As with the Forums here and at Jims EVERYTHING is a bonus. I think the problem I have with KW's is based around the word "Video" so if you use Video this, that and the other, (sadly not so much of the later) you have used Video three times. Whilst this may not be an issue with UKPlus- they review the site and write the "tongue in cheek" review etc" Before Silver Stream the combinations seemed to work and now they dont work as well..... but what can you do- stop paying them!!

I have always considered any work that comes from the Internet, given the nature of my business as a "lottery win" and so the small but significant amount of work that it yields has cost nothing to get, unlike my Yellow Pages spend of 1500 pa. Yes of course I would like to increase the volume (hence the help of these Forums) but I have to balance time spent on SE promotion against actually working which is what pays the bills.

I am never ceased to be amazed by the numbers of hits that come from all those obscure UK engines/directories such as Splut and England-Online etc. I dont understand how "searchers" find theses SE's in the first place but they do.

As a final little tale,I was contacted by a very large Multi-national company last year regarding making a short programme showing the implementation of a new system for Ford. When I asked the lady who contacted me "were you recommended by another client who has connections with Ford?", she told me had found me on UK Plus and contacted me as I was local to the filming venue!!! Wasnt sure how to react to that but as the job was worth 2.5K who cares.

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Msg#: 3 posted 9:42 am on Jul 8, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Videoman,

Nice ending :) More of the same, eh!

I feel the same. Some of the SE/directories are more productive. Some of the KWs eople use amazes me howt anyone finds anything at all. One of the big issues is that many people don't know how to use the search properly. Even if they don't, at least there are hits from some sources.

Here's to another decent referal :)

oldtimer

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Msg#: 3 posted 11:17 am on Jul 8, 2000 (gmt 0)

>One of the big issues is that many people don't know how to use the search properly

That will come - after all, we've been around a lot longer than the mass of UK searchers, they *should* learn in time ;)

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