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msg:260979
 9:28 am on Aug 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

As a fellow struggling designer/marketing web thingy I check these forums often, and as I live in the uk find it such a shame that the uk forum never seems to have much action within it.

So lets see if we can kick something into life.

excite and lycos is their any point in submitting to them, I've been submitting my doorways now for weeks no !!! months with nothing to show, is anyone having any luck.

Also I'm using the algos for .com any opions ?

I've also find a usfull little search engine uk-find.com. bit plain but has sent some traffic to my sites and very kindly sends an e-mail to you letting you know, could be very annoying if you were getting 20 hits a day from them, but as I only get about 1/2 emails per week I can live with that.

Any more options on others uk search engines would be very much appreated.


 

mark roach




msg:260980
 9:54 am on Aug 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

Not got much more to add, other than to say I also have had no luck with excite or lycos. I have just tried (yesterday) submitting my site to the Lycos directory, to see if that works.

I also get a couple of referals a week from UK-find, the emails save you looking in your logs. But as you say they would be annoying if you got too many of them.

engine




msg:260981
 11:18 am on Aug 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hi Tigger,
One of the major issues here is the lack of "power" associated with the uk engines/directories. They really haven't been indexing/listing quickly and even then, the results have been weak (I'm generalising).
There is a shift going on, see this [webmasterworld.com] and we're yet to see this work really well.

It is a fact of life that the .com directories/engines get the lions share of surfers and that the databases like ink, av, google, etc are .com-based. We have to work with them.

Traffic-wise, it is difficult to assess which uk sources are doing well. When I look at my own stats, much of the traffic is from .com I'd like to see a lot more from the uk sources and it is up to them to market themselves better. for example, Mirago has been around for some time and is looking good, but, I don't see much traffic. UK Plus, well, that directory should do a lot better as it's used by so many major portals.

I do see a reasonable amount of traffic from some of the vertical directories, and, I expect there to be a traffic shift over to more portal referals, too.

This is all negative stuff - let's find some positives...

Is there a future for uk-based services? I think so. We're just going to have to wait a little longer (within eighteen months).

Mark, I have noticed that Lycos and Excite have updated their databases some time back, after many months of no updates at all. I cannot be sure which is the best route into these resources. Whether it it through the "hand-me-down" database from the .com, or from the directory entry. All i'd recommend is you must apply for a listing, without spamming (of course), and keep trying - it'll get in, eventually.
Can't say i've seen anything from UK-find. I certainly don't get any e-mails from them.

What about looking at the options for many of these vertical directories. They should drive better qualified traffic?

What are your experiences?

Engine

tigger




msg:260982
 11:35 am on Aug 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

engine

I hope I'm not sounding too thick but what are vertical directories ?

I have never had much luck getting anything into excite/lycos.com, it make's you wonder when (if ever) they will start indexing new sites, I get the impression lycos is starting to smell a bit with old sites perhaps that's why they have to use a dog to collect the information, being a dog lover not very friendly on our furry friends

oldtimer




msg:260983
 4:22 pm on Aug 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

Tigger, one thing's for certain, if you have a .com domain you're trying to get into Excite, don't bother with the UK version. I've had it from the horse's mouth that they will not accept them - even if they are obviously based in the UK

tigger




msg:260984
 5:03 pm on Aug 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

thanks oldtimer

I've had no luck getting anything in, I've been using the same algo as .com, which I don't know if their algo's the same, but there again I've not been getting into .com either, oh well

It's such a shame that both excite and lycos have such a high profile with the public. when I talk to clients about their rankings with google/northern light and now that inktomi is kicking back into life their varoius partners they look with blank expressions and ask " what about excite or lycos " not much you can say unfortunalty

thankfully the traffic/enquires coming though to my clients is keeping them happy

At least with freeserve pulling from inktomi that's normally one search engine that manages to put a smile on my clients faces, but it's a shame that inktomi is so tempramental yesterday had number one ranking for client and today nothing.


engine




msg:260985
 5:38 pm on Aug 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

Tigger,
>what are vertical directories ?

Market or industry-specific resources. These can vary from simple, one-page directory listings in clubs and societies' websites like "Breeds of British Dogs" run by the kennel club og GB, to bigger, more comprehensive sites like market-specific e-zines on baking, etc. I don't know if these exist, but if you had a site on old english sheepdogs, it'll be worthwhile getting a link from the kennel club directory. Similarly, if you were a producer of fruit cakes, you'd want to get listed in the e-zine's directory.

There are thousands of sites like this springing up al over the place and I can confirm that they are driving qualified site visitors. The visitor numbers might be lower than the major SEs but, the vistor has already expressed interest in dogs if they are on the kennel club site.



mark roach




msg:260986
 8:43 pm on Aug 10, 2000 (gmt 0)

Just run off stats for last month. Altavista.co.uk is my best referer, just ahead of google and google.yahoo. It is no coincidence that these are the two engines with spiders that have crawled my whole site aggressively (3000 +) pages. Msn.co.uk and msn.com both give me similar amounts of traffic slightly less than the two engines above.

I also get quite a lot of traffic from ask.co.uk, this is due to my good rankings with altavista and mirago (mirago has also deep crawled my site and is well worth submitting to). Be patient with altavista.co.uk (I last saw scooter about 4 weeks ago), when it comes it will follow every link and hit you hard, pages usually show up in the index about a week later.

I don't actually get that much traffic from the .com engines, and because my site is European based most of the visitors that I do get are of little use to me. Inktomi is well worth concentrating on because of the UK ISPs such as Freeserve that use it for their default searches.

Interesting that you chose the topic of dogs to illustrate vertical directories. My site (www.champdogs.co.uk) is actually a directory for dogs breeders and I can concur with "engine" that it is certainly worth getting listed with any directories that are to relevant to your site. These directories live or die based on their ability to generate traffic, so get your self registered with as many as possible and then sit back and let someone else (eg. me) do all the hard work :)

engine




msg:260987
 7:36 am on Aug 11, 2000 (gmt 0)

Mark, I can't think now why i picked dogs - what a coincidence - anyone out there with a bakery site? :)

engine




msg:260988
 6:12 pm on Aug 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

Hot update - bakery site spotted.. here [bod.bakery.co.uk]
Amazing what's there when you look.
Engine.

mark roach




msg:260989
 6:25 pm on Aug 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

They are going to struggle to get that site indexed with all those question marks in the URLs. Do think they are looking to hire any help ? :)

tigger




msg:260990
 6:28 pm on Aug 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

so long as they don't want it ranked within inktomi partners, talking about that anyone heard anything today, gone very quite on the inktomi forum

engine




msg:260991
 6:30 pm on Aug 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

All seems quiet all round!

tigger




msg:260992
 6:35 pm on Aug 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

engine.

I had hoped by now that one of our friends across the water would have phoned inktomi to try and pry some info from them. hint hint :)

makemetop




msg:260993
 7:24 pm on Aug 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

I've contacted someone fairly senior on the technical side in Freeserve and they've e-mailed me back to say they are going to try and find out what's happening from Inktomi.

tigger




msg:260994
 7:27 pm on Aug 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

makemetop

thanks lets hope it's good news and soon, my clients are not at all happy about their vanishing rannkings and I'm sure they don't beleave me.


makemetop




msg:260995
 9:12 pm on Aug 14, 2000 (gmt 0)

You and me both! The tough thing in the UK is that Inktomi powers just about every portal here - even AOL UK and Lycos! Only Virgin Net is exempt! So when Inktomi screws up our clients are non too pleased and we have little to fall back on.

engine




msg:260996
 7:27 am on Aug 15, 2000 (gmt 0)

It's one of those frustrating things that "clients" will have to accept. I know what you mean Tigger. I use the explanation that "free listings" are subject to the SE policies and latest algorithm changes. Guaranteed listings (advertising) is the way forward if they wish to ensure top listings.
If they are paying for listings then there is a good reason to complain when it drops out.

tigger




msg:260997
 7:33 am on Aug 15, 2000 (gmt 0)

I agree but the problem is my clients as I'm sure yours do pay me a fee to get or try to keep some rankings so the finger unfortunalty gets pointed towards us for answers.

looks like the inktomi forum is hitting the panic button hard today

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