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Altavista UK re-index

 5:40 pm on Jul 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

Just checked a domain at av.co.uk and see major changes.

The particular domain was well ranked for three targeted phrases, the rankings have now dropped 98, 99, and 98 places. The crazy thing is they are all now listed at wait for it....

101 [You know Room 101, George Orwell and all that]

Anyone else seeing anything similar?

Looks to me that they have lightened on keyword density just as I have increased mine.

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you."

Edited by: NFFC



 6:34 pm on Jul 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

Excellent, latest client fully indexed and #1 :)

Bad news too, something has happened, the index looks horribly spammy.


 6:49 pm on Jul 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

Over what time period Notts?

Mine have stuck fast since 17th June - in fact 2 similar sites take up 15 of the first 16 places for one keyphrase. The only change is one new #1 placing crept in on 26th june - and stayed.
That #1 is in a catalogue page of about 8 items. It is the only one of its kind, whereas the rest of the page is duplicated items - they do not come up on a search - at least not in the top 110.

Incidentally only that catalogue item has the same result on AV com - the others uk results don't make it there at all.

The good listings on AV uk all have low keyword weight.

engine - re spammy - I agree but its been like that for over a month, if one site gets in, it can take up the whole of 2 pages.


 7:28 pm on Jul 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

>Over what time period

Last checked the listings 26/6 so the drop has been sudden and dramatic.[101?]

>in fact 2 similar sites take up 15 of the first 16 places

My best [worst!] is 1-24.


Nottm as in Forest *not* Notts as in County ;)


 7:49 pm on Jul 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

>Nottm as in Forest *not* Notts as in County ;)

Apologies - not being a football fan, I vaguely thought it applied to them too - anyway, you live there ?

Back to the thread ;) - as your changes are over the same (roughly) time period and you are increasing KW, maybe that is the reason.

Edited by: oldtimer


 8:06 pm on Jul 12, 2000 (gmt 0)

>increasing KW, maybe that is the reason.

I think you may be right, some research to do tonight!

To be honest I have been neglecting AV, both flavours, recently and concentrating on Google & Ink. With hindsight this has not been a bad move but maybe now is the time to refocus.

Expect to see a little more of me at yours and engines place, seth's too.
Get plenty of Shipstones and John Player's in. ;)

Edited by: NFFC


 10:44 am on Jul 20, 2000 (gmt 0)

>increasing KW, maybe that is the reason.

An update:

At .co.uk the listings have now return to roughly their originally positions, at .com significant gains have been made.

This is what *could* be happening.

The changes I made to the site were only to the text based hyperlink menu, introducing the root theme keywords into many of the links.

On the pages that were targeted at these root theme words this had the effect of increasing keyword density.

At .com this resulted in the listing for the main targeted keyword phrase dropping from 43 to un-findable. Two update cycles later the page now ranks at 21.

What happened?

My guess is that initially the alterations were seen as keyword spamming by AV, until such time as the keywords were accepted as part of the sites theme, and an allowance/adjustment made for pages targeted *directly* at the theme keywords.

This could also explain the drop reported by some when pages are resubmitted, leading to, in my opinion, the false view that older pages do better.

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