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MSN UK Filters Looksmart trusted feed
MSN drops LS and LS trusted feed Inktomi
DaveN




msg:261713
 12:30 pm on Oct 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Looks like MSN have applied filters to remove all looksmart and trusted feed in Inktomi, can we confirm this.

DaveN

 

keeper




msg:261743
 1:44 am on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I find it amazing that they can simply edit the Inktomi / Looksmart syndication in this way...I would have thought the agreement with Inktomi to licence their database would have excluded "taking parts of it".

What next? will they pull all the INK PFI out too? leaving them with an entirely non-commercial set of results?

DaveN




msg:261744
 7:21 am on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

keeper, not really all search engines want to apply there own filters to any raw data feed and I think most do.

DaveN

Torben Lundsgaard




msg:261745
 7:36 am on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I still se Inktomi trusted feed in MSN

DaveN




msg:261746
 11:56 am on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

are you sure they aren't just Ink PFI. I have searched hard to find any left and I can't

DaveN

Receptional




msg:261747
 12:42 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I still se Inktomi trusted feed in MSN

and
I find it amazing that they can simply edit the Inktomi / Looksmart syndication in this way...I would have thought the agreement with Inktomi to licence their database would have excluded "taking parts of it".

Some new information... Apparently MSN are not (and can't) filter out the LS/Ink trusted feed BUT there is a fault with the feed, which is being rectified, that has stopped INK. from reading relevent fields in the feed, therefore all LS trusted feeds are currently so far down ink's Algo (and probably only on the wrong terms) that you have to be looking on some pretty obscure terms to find them.

So - sounds like a technical issue more than a political one.

If true (and I heard it from the horse's mouth) then we can expect some result jiggling soon...

DaveN




msg:261748
 12:49 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Receptional, I don't see that in the the pure search.

DaveN

Receptional




msg:261749
 1:38 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am just passing on "the Horse's words".

I haven't tried to correlate the words with what I see on the ground just yet... far to many other things to consider and my first is to measure overall traffic changes from MSN before concentrating on rankings.

Are you saying LS listings are clearly identifiable in the pure search? .... actually I see that is exactly what you are saying...

So much for horses.

Receptional




msg:261750
 1:53 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

OK - I CERTAINLY see looksmart listings of the type mouseover [redirect-west.inktomi.com]

In MSN.co.uk results now. Sadly not my own yet, but something to work on there...

I do note that the MSN results order is different to pure search though... but the LS one I saw was TOP on MSN and 7th on pure search

Dixon.

DaveN




msg:261751
 1:56 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Receptional, if they have INK PFI MSN are letting them in.

DaveN

Receptional




msg:261752
 2:03 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

On that we are agreed.

However, LS/Ink trusted feed is a different offering from LS to PFI and we have one site supposedly in it (like Positiontech's pay for performance for sites with more than 500 URLS) - it is these that LS said have a technical balls up. At the moment I can't find the site either in MSN OR Pure search so I am inclined to agree with my sales rep (I am forever the optimist)

Dixon.

DaveN




msg:261753
 2:10 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

In this game their is always one which is the exception ;)

DaveN

martinibuster




msg:261754
 2:33 pm on Oct 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

Receptional, I don't see that in the the pure search.

Portal Configuration Update. (Stripping the LS feed?)

div01




msg:261755
 1:25 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

They are certainly doing some testing. I did a quick search on MSN.com that yielded a grand total of 16 results - Google gives me ~50,000 for the same two word phrase. I know MSN used to have more results because one of my sites used to be there...

martinibuster




msg:261756
 3:20 am on Oct 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

I know MSN used to have more results because one of my sites used to be there...

Was it in the "web pages" results or web directory?

Big difference.

Rumbas




msg:261757
 11:37 pm on Oct 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

*bump*
Gents, you suddenly became very quiet ;)

What's the current status these days?
Got rankings on MSN. Looksmart out yet?

DaveN




msg:261758
 8:12 am on Oct 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Rumbas, not quiet, everybody should be working on their Inktomi SEO skills,

Looksmart is gone and the only way into MSM with looksmart is with a INK PFi, but be warned It looks like MSN are dampening those results but letting them in, but with a LS dampening factor.

As for MSN we are know pulling many #1 and the traffic is quite good, the best thing is that MSN surfers are buying, the conversion rate against google.co.uk is much better imho.

DaveN

and before everyone wades in, yes there are still 3 overture results and sometimes 1 MSN 'FEATURED SITES'

DaveN

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