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Issues with "badbusiness" site
Losing clients due to "badbusiness" site and "client" accusations

 3:09 pm on Sep 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I wasn't sure where to post this question. It is based on search engine submission and ranking. There is a site out there that lists bad business and doesn't check to see if the posts are valid. I am all for freedom of speech and consumer rights. The issue is that this site is coming up above our site on mutiple searches. Clients see these reports and we are losing thousands of dollars a week, if not daily.

I know there is no solution to getting top ranking but is there anything that we can do. I have read about backlinks and we are creating a links page and contacting other companies to link to us. I am working on the metatags and other items on the pages.Also read about creating new content on a page daily (if this is done do I resubmit the site) How ofen can I submit our site without getting blocked? I am getting a little desperate. I know I sound it too. :)
ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS? I am new here and trying to view and take in all that I can. I would apprecite any links or advice on this matter.



 3:36 pm on Sep 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

You don't need to resubmit since the search engines should find you on their own, but you do need to learn as much as you can about search engine optimization.

Get inbound links like crazy. If it is a matter of thousands of dollars a week as you describe it, do not hesitate for one second spending money on a Yahoo link submission, as well as other solid (reasonably high PR) link sources (JoeAnt, GoGuides, etc.)

Then check the pages to make sure they are reasonably well optimized for whatever search terms you think customers will use. Use metatags and a judicious smattering of the keywords on your key pages.


 3:54 pm on Sep 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

***Not a Lawyer***

You could try going the legal route. Send a Cease and Desist about the claim, saying its libelous.


 4:32 pm on Sep 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Have a look at this - it may help


Good luck


 5:37 pm on Sep 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for all the feedback. We actually are going the legal route and are speaking to several of the SE about these issues.


 6:08 pm on Sep 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

You could start an affiliate program and let your affiliates bury the negative site in the SERPs.


 6:16 pm on Sep 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I sent you a sticky. Interested if you are having trouble with the same site that I am. Respond when you get a change, please.


 7:58 pm on Sep 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

You can certainly pursue that route, but I would caution that if you are both US web sites, you will have no legal grounds to stand on unless that other web site recklessly defamed your company and, importantly, that the information is wrong.

If someone doesn't like your service or product, they have every right - and the duty - to post that information. Any legal action brought on the basis would be tossed in court in a New York minute.


 12:31 am on Sep 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Any legal action brought on the basis would be tossed in court in a New York minute

Well, sure, but are they willing to risk that this is the case? ;)

I've seen more than a few "let's see what happens" C&Ds. It doesn't hurt, and most of the time a website does not generate enough money from the page to warrent risking the case in court.


 2:06 am on Sep 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

The site he is referring to seems to make all their money through extortion of site owners. They allow any user to make any claim about any business, unvalidated, unreviewed. They use SEO techniques and a PR7 website to guarantee first page results for that company name. They then use terminology on their website to basically indicate that all companies with claims against them are ripoff artists.

They allow the companies themselves to file rebuttals, but from my research, they charge the companies after X rebuttals, and basically try to use extortion tactics to convince these companies to pay them money to assist them in clearing their name. They also try to upsell books to the upset user on how to harrass the companies in question. The whole thing is quite nasty. I suspect they've recieved cease and desists many times before and throw them away like I toss AOL cds.

I will refrain from using the name/url, but i have contacted msfabalous1 myself, and it is the same website that is smearing my name.


 12:10 am on Sep 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

You could try going the legal route. Send a Cease and Desist about the claim, saying its libelous.

- Agreed. Recently Google and another major player in the SE world faced some nasty legal problems with copyright infringements of GEICO.

If you write a quality letter to google using their abuse@ on their web site you can sometimes get reasonable responses.
Either way. Good luck!
Another thing. Some web hosting companies frown on copyright infringement or legally dangerous web sites hosted by them. It is not impossible to have a site pulled for TOS violations.
Contact all administrators concerned including the owners of the web site concerned.

You never know till you try.


 5:03 pm on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just want to thank everyone for such great feedback
regarding this issue. I know its a tricky one, but all the feedback was great and welcome. Just frustrating to figure out how to "outwit" the site that is coming in above our site on a daily basis.
Started working on more content pages and submitting on a different level. Hope something will finally work

Thanks again,
MS Fab


 12:45 pm on Sep 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> You could start an affiliate program and let your affiliates bury the negative site in the SERPs.

How would this work? Interesting idea.

Also, please can anyone provide a search term that might bring up this bad business site, rather than naming them directly?


 4:46 pm on Sep 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

A link that explains about this company is



 11:45 pm on Sep 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

ironic that the beiconline site has a pr of 0, yet contains many links to a "bad" site with a pr of 7!

interesting yet sinister stuff at play.


 11:16 pm on Sep 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi. having good backlinks helps SE ranking. Apart from that, your website must have an optimised content as per the target keywords. you need to learn as much as you can about SEO as its " survival of the fittest " .

You can go ahead with a legal case,but I'ld personally suggest you to concentrate on Improving your website's performance and let the work speak for itself.



[edited by: DaveAtIFG at 3:10 am (utc) on Sep. 18, 2004]
[edit reason] Abbreviated signature [/edit]


 11:21 pm on Sep 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was Wondering I could provide more information to you . You can Include a page "press_release.html " in your website and write an impressive article on your website and its services. You can take help of a good content writer for this cause .

Once the press release article is posted on your website, you can start submitting to all major and minor search engines, open directories and other websites of relevance. This will help your website to gain a better visibility and make sure you use target keywords in the article to it's best extent without stuffing.

You can also submit the article in Yellow pages , b2b directories , groups and web forums in a spam-free manner. This will fetch you good incoming links which can Improve link popularity, page rank and above all SE ranking which you are looking for.

All the best.



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