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Search Engines Hit With The China Syndrome Again
Yahoo - Google Accused of Censorship
Brett_Tabke




msg:229879
 11:37 am on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

An international press freedom group has lashed out at Yahoo and Google -- the two most popular Internet search engines -- for allegedly cooperating with the Chinese government to crackdown on web access.

The rights watchdog claimed Yahoo had been censoring its Chinese-language search-engine for several years and rival firm Google, which recently took a share in Baidu, a Chinese search-engine that filters a user's findings, seemed ready to go the same way.

AFP Article via Yahoo [story.news.yahoo.com]

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lgn1




msg:229880
 12:01 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have mixed feelings on this. If Yahoo and Google did not comply with Chinas demands, then nobody would have access to the Internet in China.

Besides, filtering software is not 100%. If we can't block porn from our children, with a 100% guarntee, the chinese cannot block alternative political views with a 100% guarntee either.

musicales




msg:229881
 12:04 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess they're both trying to gain ground on each other there in a huge potential market. Their choice is presumably between doing as they're told, or being blocked altogether by the authorities.

I bet Sergie and Larry dream of those peaceful days with just a couple of servers in the garage and some nice computational problems to deal with.

Tor




msg:229882
 12:25 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

In their efforts to conquer the Chinese market, the two firms are "making compromises that directly threaten freedom of expression," it said in a statement.

If you can`t beat them, join them....

Namaste




msg:229883
 12:39 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

if the public in china & the international community isn't doing enough for free rights, then why should G & Y push it.

Brad




msg:229884
 12:41 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Increasingly many corporations, their successors and assigns, are being publicly called to account for past collaborations with questionable regimes and policies. Starting with the American Civil War, through World War II in both theaters of conflict, and also the Cold War, many interest groups are persuing corporations to confront their past and in some instances pay reparations.

Often what was perfectly legal in one generation is viewed very differently one or two generations later, so for example, the business deal you struck with a dictator in 1950 was perfectly acceptable but by 1968 it is viewed as collaboration with an oppressor by the people of that country.

Not saying this is the case here, but it is dangerous to become too entangled with totalitarian and authoritarian regimes.

GreatVista




msg:229885
 12:58 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sigh... why always involve politics when talking about China? I believe most westners really do not know a real China.

I'd say here in China it is a very open world. Internet is everywhere throughout all the country. I think no developing countries even some European countries can compare with China in term of the popularity of internet. We have full freedom to travel in the internet world.

bcolflesh




msg:229886
 1:07 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

We have full freedom to travel in the internet world.

That simply isn't true:

[cyber.law.harvard.edu...]

BlueYon




msg:229887
 1:07 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

The list of blocked sites is quite bad.

I dont know why they need to block:

AltaVista - The Search Company

Amnesty International USA

bbcnews

Heres a bigger list:

[cyber.law.harvard.edu...]

I work in and out of China and find it anoying when I want to read the bbcnews.

christopher w




msg:229888
 2:22 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I dont know why they need to block:

Amnesty International USA

Just do a quick search for "China" on Amnesty's site and you will see why the government would want to block it.

Brett_Tabke




msg:229889
 2:26 pm on Jul 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

speaking of censoring....lets leave the politics for another site folks and stick to the webmaster topics. It seems to be the only format and framework that all of us can work in.

although it is difficult to follow, please leave your political diatribes, causes, and passions. We aren't the site for a polysci debate on censorship. This is about search engines.

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