| 2:50 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Couple of points (without trying to nit pick)
A commonly spread misconception is that if Google detects duplicate content, that it will boot one out of the index. That is not the way it works.
Google "down grades" the second page found that matches a prior page found. That just means, it will be buried so deep, that you will be lucky to find it under its own url.
| 2:56 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Great job caveman. Bookmarked for future reference. It's always nice to have quality "FAQ" threads;) Thanks.
| 3:02 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Nice post caveman
Well, about 6 months back a site I optimized was doing well!
Then the company got carried away and created more!
They then decided to link to each other with similar content for example mywebsite.com and mywebsite.net etc
Suddenly they vanished! (no surprise to me)
I then go to work on their site again, new contract :)
after a couple of months the site started to come back but not much, I was confused, so I checked by copying a block of text and searched in Google and bang! found another 2 web sites they had but didn't tell me.
So I got them to remove it. So now from 5 sites down to 1 site I checked all external links within the site and got it down to 2 from 15 which where worth linking to.
With in another month they were back on the 1st page of Google.
When sites dissappear it can be like a needle in a hay stack. you have to have a check list and caveman's is a good one!
Just became a preferred member, off out tonight drinks on me ;)
[edited by: lasko at 3:04 pm (utc) on May 19, 2004]
| 3:04 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
great post, another bookmark. :) Hope it doesn't happen too often.
| 3:51 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Thanks caveman. This hasn't happened to me yet, but this will be the first place I look if it does.
| 4:07 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Looks a good post with some very good tips, have to read it later though :)
| 4:26 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
great post , thank you
| 4:28 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
That's the sound of my "flag this thread" plug-in. :)
Nice post, caveman.
| 4:30 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Great post and reference...
Added to favorites.
| 4:39 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Google "down grades" the second page found that matches a prior page found |
Do you think it's simply a matter of the time the bot finds the duplicate? Cause I can think of a scenario where a copy which was created after the original, is hit by the bot before the original. In this case, the original would be downgraded.
| 4:43 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
caveman, I predict that this will become the most cited post in Webmasterworld history.
| 5:52 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Thanks, this is great!
One quick question,you refer to "site search" as the first step to find where your page is on the search engines. Where is this or how does it work?
| 5:53 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|caveman, I predict that this will become the most cited post in Webmasterworld history. |
And rightly so!
Thanks Caveman.....off to bookmarkland.
| 6:03 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Caveman - you are already one of my heroes! Thank you for a great summary. The best I`ve seen so far! :)
You have made my day a little easier... ;)
| 6:08 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
sound advice, caveman.
i have one question though: if you have made changes in the kw density for optimization, what kind of parameters are used to determine 'overuse of kws'?
"• Link structure changes, and especially link text changes. Updates to link text or structure, if done for optimization reasons, can push a site into filter/penalty territory. Look in particular for overuse of kw's."
|troels nybo nielsen|
| 6:52 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
shailesh, the best measuring method for a healthy keyword density most likely is your own linguistic sensitivity. Try to make the density perhaps a little lower than feels natural. Use lots of synonyms instead. Liane started an excellent thread about this some time ago.
caveman, you're gonna get a lot of gratitude from new members in the future!
[edited by: troels_nybo_nielsen at 8:18 pm (utc) on May 19, 2004]
| 6:56 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Gee I expected more thoughts about things I missed, and fewer compliments...but the compliments are of course *greatly* appreciated. :-)
Realdude if you search on an exact url of a page at most SE's, and cannot find your page that way, you can be pretty sure that the page is not in the index. Another method is to search on a very unique string of text from a page, which has the advantage of uncovering content duplication at other sites also.
| 8:05 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Thank you Caveman.
At the risk of being annoying, is there a way to find out which page on the search engine the page is on? I hear so many people saying "my URL went from page 1 to 54231", how do they find this information?
Most humble thanks
| 8:26 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>>• Use of a single, site-wide template
I've never understood what the problem is with this one.
For my site i use the same html file for almost all the 4000+ pages on my site. When i add new content i just update the H1 and add the content to the <p>'s.
I don't have the skill or interest to do design, i just put the content up.
Isn't a uniform look something that users like, it reminds them of which site they're on, makes navigation easier, etc.
|troels nybo nielsen|
| 8:36 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
longen, the critical point is how much content (incl. links) is the same on many pages. Identical mark up and CSS should not in itself be a problem but may be one of the factors that help search engines to identify websites on different domains as belonging to the same network.
| 10:33 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Excellent post Caveman!
Hope I never actually need to refer to it!
| 5:02 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I've got a couple of yahoo-specific tips to add:
If your site is completely missing for no reason:
- Is your site in competition with Yahoo's commerce?
- Did you fail to pay for XML feeds?
- Did you do anything unreasonable such as launch a website, add a page, remove a page, place content or ads on the website?
- Do your total number of pages add up to an even number, not an odd?
- Did you walk under a ladder on your way to work?
| 7:17 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
This is great and quality work. Thanks
| 8:17 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Great post, caveman
• Competitors stealing or mirroring your content
How in the world can I deal with this, especially when it has been done specifically to kill our site.
Any help appreciated.
|troels nybo nielsen|
| 8:55 am on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Umbertide, many members have been in a situation like yours. You might try to dig deep in Content, Writing and Copyright [webmasterworld.com] and see if you can find some cases that resemble your own. If you can't then start a new thread there and present your own case as precisely as possible without getting so specific that your case may be recognised.
| 12:23 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Use of a single, site-wide template
Yea..that one doesn't make sense.
| 3:13 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
unless the template contains more than a certain amount of text
| 3:22 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Hanu, yes that's *one* of the ways that a single site-wide template can get you in trouble.
The lazier the Webmaster, the greater the risk. Think about it. ;-)
| 4:02 pm on May 20, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Caveman - I cannot find my site anywhere in Yahoo - I do my own optimization and am number 1 on Google for my prime keyword which is HIGHLY competitive as well as many others that are also highly competitive. (I have a PR6 and lots of great backlinks from outside related sites with high PRs) But I am not a professional SEO and I am tearing my hair out over why my site is not coming up in Yahoo. My competitors are and I truly cannot figure it out. Can anyone help me?!
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