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Is this company just selling me a generic domain name?
davey




msg:255588
 12:39 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

A sales representative has just called me saying they can get me top in MSN, AOL, Lycos, and Freeserve. Her company is <snip> and she says they have a contract with the above mentioned search engines whereby they have to put the people they say at the top of the search results. The particular service she is trying to sell me is at <snip>, she says they get me a generic domain name and tell the above engines to put me to the top. The service is 200 set up then 10 a month. I'm not sure if it's any more than just giving me a domain name and some automated software, but the sales rep definitely says they would get me to the top, giving me some examples of ones they'd already done.

Is this a scam, she wants and answer today?!

[edited by: engine at 1:00 pm (utc) on Mar. 24, 2003]
[edit reason] no specifcs, thanks. [/edit]

 

davey




msg:255589
 12:43 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

PS. She gave me examples of sites she said had benefited from this service. If you go to hotbot.co.uk and search for "fish farm equipment" and "deposition video UK" you will see they are top in both. So it may have some validity?

ukgimp




msg:255590
 12:48 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hello Davey

The service on offer here is likely to be pay per click. The bottom line is you can get to the top for any word you want if you pay enough. If I have read this sone right they are offering to get you to the top on a search for your chosen domain name. Not much use if you ask me what about your products. You could even look at doing ppc yourself.

As a side not you may want to edit your post to remove the specifics you have mentioned and keep it general.

That sort of mention is not really allowed here.

e.g. company A has offered this service which claims that XYZ...

garry




msg:255591
 12:51 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Davey Davey Davey

Keep your money in your pocket mate!

Do a search on blue wigets, green porcupines & big red cars....I put tose ones at the top too!

Tread carefully!

Cheers from the Outback

davey




msg:255592
 12:55 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks. It's not a pay-per-click service so far as I can see, it's a one-off fee. But for the search term I actually wanted, if it was generic enough like "widgets" not "yellow and green widgets", and they could get me to the top for the aforementioned search engines, would this be worthwhile for 300? I would be top in a lot of searches for all kinds of widgets?! Also, what about this idea that aol, freeserve etc. are under contract to their company to put their stuff to the top? Not true?

engine




msg:255593
 12:58 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>Is this a scam, she wants and answer today?!

Don't be rushed into a decision today, read here and come back to them in your own time. Pushing for a decision today is a tactic to get you signed up before you have had time to research.

Receptional Andy




msg:255594
 1:04 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

In some cases you can pay to be top of MSN, but it cannot be a coincidence that all the engines you mention are using Overture results.

I'm not talking about this company in particular ;)
but people who claim guaranteed rankings within short spaces of time are scammers 99% of the time. They prey on people with little knowledge and experience of search engines and simply use whatever you pay them to pay the PPC engines.

>they have to put the people they say at the top of the search results

There are hundreds of companies who could get 'contracts' with the search engines mentioned above, which would mean that not everyone could be at the top. It would only take ten companies to have these contracts for the same words to prevent you from even getting a first page listing.

Ask them for an example of where these listings already appear for someone else. Look at the listings carefully and my money is on the fact that you will see 'sponsored listings' or some such next to the link - i.e. PPC or paid ad results.

Pay these people at your peril! Notice that the company themselves do not appear to be top of the engines mentioned for ANY keywords - wonder why that might be ;) you would think they would use this service themselves...

[You should not mention specific companies in your post. A mod will probably remove it you don't do it yourself]

[edited by: Receptional_Andy at 1:05 pm (utc) on Mar. 24, 2003]

ukgimp




msg:255595
 1:05 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Also, what about this idea that aol, freeserve etc. are under contract to their company to put their stuff to the top

If I offer to pay them more than anyone else for my terms they are under obligation to me. Simple as that. As engine said with requiring an answer now. That puts me off with any sales person, so much so I run a mile.

Wondering why it is cheap, well that is due to the fact that no one else will really want to pay for clicks/placement for your domain name. So from that perpective it is dirt cheap for them to promise your placement.

cayleyv




msg:255596
 9:23 am on Mar 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

bwwwaaaaahhhhh! <quote>A sales representative has just called me saying they have a special relationship with and can get me top listings in MSN, AOL, Lycos, and Freeserve. </>

yes, and I have a special relationship with god because i am from <insert religious organization here>.

The only people with a 'special relationship' is a vendor such as overture or google adwords which provide paid results for the SE's above. Telemarketing, email advertising and other marketing needs to be critically analyzed for authenticity. There is no magic bullet for good search engine listings, and no marketing company has a special relationship with any search property.

makemetop




msg:255597
 9:51 am on Mar 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

I think you will find this another 'search engineering' company from Lancaster. Rubbish deal using PFI on a 1 page domain which you can stuff with your keywords. Only a matter of time until these obvious doorway domains with no content get zapped - even in PFI.

gsx




msg:255598
 10:02 am on Mar 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

And being on top for a generic word such as 'widgets' does not mean you will be top for 'blue widgets', 'special green widgets' etc...

Most of these places offer a money back guarantee, but I would not like to try and get my money back from one of them. They promise top position on one keyword, but for how long? If it is there for ten minutes per month, does that count that they have done their job? How much traffic would it bring you?

gsx




msg:255599
 10:06 am on Mar 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

...and find their website, and search for common terms you would expect them to be top on. I did this for on optimisations firm and checked the top 300 in Google, MSN, AltaVista, FAST and Inktomi with (what I thought) the top 5 phrases they would optimise for. 25 searches and I found them in the top 300 for one search, and they were below 200.... think about that.

zooloo




msg:255600
 11:42 am on Mar 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

I cannot remember who I am quoting, but it works.

"If you want an answer NOW, then the answer is no"

zooloo

davey




msg:255601
 1:15 pm on Mar 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks guys!

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