| 4:07 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
| The alexa toolbar has traffic rankings on it. They are quite revealing about your competitors. There is even a comparison chart you can look at. |
There is an older Alexa Toolbar discussion thread.
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| 4:57 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
With that sort of preparation, no wonder the blue line is the one going up.
Nice one Brett :)
| 5:49 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
But where does Alexa get this information from. Is it all from people who use thier toolbar? If so that seems pretty inaccurate.
| 5:52 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Brett_Tabke, Thank you very much.
This toolbar is great!
| 6:12 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I agree with Jeremy.
If Alexa uses the Alexa toolbar users as the sample then they are limiting the results to a certain type of user. This means that if I use the toolbar and visit my site every day and my competitors don't use the toolbar when they visit their own site then it could inaccuratly scew the results to look like my site gets more visitors.
This may not be true for technology based web sites or extremely high traffic sites.
Bottom line: I find it hard to believe that a high enough percentage of average visitors shopping for the products I sell use the toolbar to make the results accurate.
| 6:22 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
In response to Jeremy.
There are some exceptions where the data is skewed - talked about here and mentioned at the Alexa site, e.g. microsoft sites, some sites in asian countries where the toolbar is more common - but I can't think of why the data wouldn't be a good benchmark for most of our clients (ecommerce sites selling non technical wares) . . . as long as there were statistically significant data.
So far the data I've seen has generally looked plausible for sites whose traffic numbers I know (some I know precisely and others only roughly). There have been a couple of exceptions.
I would be interested to know other people's impressions . . . especially for sites in the 1000 to 200,000 range. My gut tells me that the top 1000 will be quite accurate - except for skewing described at Alexa site, and that ranking of small traffic sites (above, say, 500,000) will be completely specious, but I'm not clear where to draw the "pretty credible" line.
Can anyone tell me how many Alexa hits were registered last month for site 100,000? Where in the hierarchy of sites would you say the margin of error is less than 10%?
| 6:52 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
A little tip for you: If you click on "1y" range on the "Traffic Detail" page and replace "range=1y" with "range=2y" in the address bar, you get data going back to September 2001 instead of Jan 2002.
| 6:54 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
This a completely worthless tool that's just begging for abuse, especially if people decide to take it's value more and more seriously. The data can be manipulated as easy as downloading the toolbar yourself, and hitting the refresh button hundreds of times for your homepage. Wow, just watch your rankings climb! Completely, absolutely worthless misleading data. I'm shocked that anyone is taking this seriously.
| 7:00 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
We've already hashed the discussion of the data out. Hit the other thread to catch up to speed:
| 7:19 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Nice charts, BT. Well done.
Very well done. Shows the quality of this place nicely.
And the selection of benchmarks...very cunning, indeed.
For the rest -> This 'jeremy' says the data is accurate. :)
| 7:41 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|The data can be manipulated as easy as downloading the toolbar yourself, and hitting the refresh button hundreds of times for your homepage. Wow, just watch your rankings climb! |
Well, my rankings have been climbing, and I don't even have the Alexa toolbar installed. There must be a lot of Microsoft employees and Koreans planning trips to Europe this year. :-)
| 9:11 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Don't know if the data is accurate. But sample size probably makes it a useless tool for smaller volume companies. I tried 3 companies in my industry. My company got a blip and 2 of my competitors got insufficient data as the return.
| 9:25 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
May I know how to generate those graph? I would like to compare my site with other competitors. Can't find the link via Alexa. Thanks.
DISCARD ... got it.
| 10:20 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>>May I know how to generate those graph? I would like to compare my site with other competitors. Can't find the link via Alexa. Thanks.
I havent :) so can you post it please, looked everwhere - im not awake yet...
Also on some of my sites it says no data available, some of these sites are my most popular ones (most hits) any ideas why this is?
| 11:57 am on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
1)search for the site at alexa.com
2)on the left, click Traffic Details
3)under the resulting chart, enter the site you want to compare to
| 12:05 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
That's done it!
OK i'm off to tell all my site users about the toolbar.. <big grin!>
| 12:13 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Don't know about the toolbar I havn't downloaded it but if you search on Alexa then click on a serp for your site, you will see on the left an option "Traffic Detail NEW".
| 12:14 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Ack, too slow :(
| 12:25 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I was looking on the toolbar first of all, duh!
But as my site has no data anyway,i cant compare, does anyone know why im getting this problem, or is anyone else seeing this?
| 2:22 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
From Alexa Agreement: >>"When you use the Toolbar Service, we collect information about the websites you visit"<<
Does the toolbar transmit data back to the mothership anytime you have it installed EVEN if it's in the "OFF" position, or does it only relay data when it's in the "ON" position?
| 3:02 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Apologies for hijacking the thread here as_is.
As-Is, you can also check his source code and see if he is using a public counter. There are a surprising number of sites using public counters where you can go check there hits.
Also, search on their domain name and the word "referrer". You might run into a stats page at their site ;-)
| 5:11 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
You have to love how daum.net and naver.com (wtf?) are ahead of google in the rankings.
I don't see how you can take this seriously when they don't get the top 10 right.
| 5:24 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Hm. That chart says you are getting higher traffic than slashdot. Slashdot claims 2.6 million unique visitors per month.
Brett, would you care to verify that you are getting more than this? (You don't have tell us exact #'s, just if it's more or less)
FYI Brett - I love this site. It's far more useful than slashdot. But I'm verrry skeptical of alexa. If I put up a site called www.i-love-the-alexa-toolbar.com, I'm sure I'd get pretty high rankings too. ;)
| 9:19 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Daum said 48 million people have a Daum email account and view an average 400 million pages a day, the highest page-view rate in the world after Yahoo <YHOO.O>
Google claims to have 150 million search queries per day.
I'd say that Alexa DID get the Top 10 right, and the fact that it actually included Korean sites is an impressive testament to Alexa's widespread global adoption.
| 9:47 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
It's the only statistical site in the world to get the top ten right - that's what makes it so powerful. It blows away the myth of neils*n net ratings and the other junk science ratings firms.
No one is arguing that there isn't a deminishing law of returns at work. Once you get down below the top 3-5k of sites, there is a downward trend in accuracy. That is simply due to the nature of the toolbar and its distribution.
There is no way you are going hand manipulate the results for the top sites using the toolbar.
>says you are getting higher traffic than slashdot.
I'm not sure how accurate /.'s is because of the fact much of their traffic is tied to *nix users (hence, no alexa toolbar option for them). Although all the polls over there indicate that 60-80% of their visitors are on windows, I still think the *nix factor has skewed the data on them.
By the same token, the tests I've done here indicate that a whopping 40% of our visitors have the Google toolbar installed. I doubt many are running dual toolbars.
On a third hand, /.'s traffic is tied up in 10-15 threads per day; whereas, our traffic is tied up in hundreds of threads [webmasterworld.com] per day.
All that said, I think the chart is fairly accurate. I do not believe /. is doing the type of traffic that OSD claims they are. Last I heard quoted on /. by ct himself, was somewhere around a half million pv's per day. That would put us at a toss up.
| 11:05 pm on Jan 17, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I used to meet a lot of Korean ESL students and I became very familiar with certain Korean URL's. Because of communicating with Koreans I now get Korean Spam but that is beside the point.
Most average people you meet have either a yahoo.co or yahoo.com email address. Or a hotmail.com email address at least counting people I meet in Canada. If you checked French you would see windadoo or whatever it is called show up more. Web based email is still used by people even though they have a computer, my sister didn't even know how to download her pop email account I set up for her to ween her off hotmail.
Japan which has very large online population has mostly hotmail and yahoo.com email addresses in my experience.
There aren't that many Koreans but they surf a lot and they also do better then Japanese in standardized testing for English but that is yet another tangent. I'll go back to lurking now.
Oh I agree Slashdot sacrifices by not having a *Nix version of the Alexa toolbar. And I agree that Slashdot users mostly surf using Windows. I'm somehow listed as a Slashdot supporter if you Google me, I think I must have just been an early user or something or gave them a back link ;-) and I've never had a linux desktop. Anyway Apple ranks highly so either they have Mac OS version or lots of Windows users surf Apple's site.
Sorry if this would have been better in the other thread I'm in a hurry. I remember when Alexa came out way back, but it didn't offer enough to let them spy on me at the time, plus I didn't have my own machine for a long time while I was a University student so I never installed anything.
| 12:53 am on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)|
When tracking competetitors in this way you need to also take into account what type of site your competitor has, as from memory one visitor can be counted many times a day (believe it is every 15 minutes). Therefore sites which you need to revisit frequently in one day will or should fare better.
Plus you would need to consider the size of their company and how many computers which are possibly installed with the Alexa toolbar there are.
More Alexa users equals higher numbers.
Alexa is now heavily promoting itself which can only be a good thing, and even has an affiliates program where you can make money promoting the toolbar!
| 1:18 am on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Actually, Alexa ranks sites based on a combination of Reach and Pageviews, but mostly Reach. The number of unique visitors is much more important than the number of pageviews.
All things being equal, if two sites have the same number of visitors, then pageviews could be the deciding factor. Also keep in mind that multiple pageviews of the same page by the same user on the same day are discarded...
| 9:09 am on Jan 18, 2003 (gmt 0)|
i recently saw alexa bringing me a little trafic from it's toolbar. Actually visitor's from a competitor, are coming to my site. Of course in France alexa user's aren't as important as in the us/uk and i would like to know how much is the trafic portion coming from toolbar in the us?
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