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Bottom line it please - how to get indexed?
tesla




msg:247549
 5:48 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

So, what is the best way to get indexed by the top 8 or so search engines. They would be:

Google - using their free submission
AOL - Open directory??
MSN - ?
Yahoo - Google
excite? - ?
lycos - ?
Altavista - using their free submission
?
?

Paid submissions seem to only provide the inclusion of a single page rather than a complete indexing of your site. Hence that does not appear to be the answer.... or is it?

 

jatar_k




msg:247550
 6:05 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

totally my own opinion

Google - odp listing, yahoo listing or link from indexed site
AOL - previously inktomi, soon to be google
MSN - inktomi or looksmart but I have not used L$ since the switch to PPC
Yahoo - Google for web pages, 300 USD for web sites
lycos - fast/alltheweb? free or PFI spidering
Altavista - free submission or PFI (though i am not sure i care)

i have always used ink and had very good results, may only be page by page but you can always add more and switch pages quickly for pages that get more clicks.

tesla




msg:247551
 6:33 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Jatar,

The problem I have is that I have thousands of pages, and therefore I need them indexed. A paid submission of a single page does nothing for me....unless when you submit a page the result is that they actually index your whole site. But reading through the forum, I have not seen any evidence of that.

jatar_k




msg:247552
 6:37 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

fair enough

so then you have google, fast, altavista and wisenut are free spiders.

ink poses a problem then. I always start by submitting the main page and all main sub section pages. Though someone else might know of a free solution to get into ink.

tesla




msg:247553
 6:47 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)


Never heard of wisenut. Just went to their site and could not find a submission area. It appears they have been acquired.

jatar_k




msg:247554
 6:56 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

owned by L$ but I thought they still had a submit url

sorry, just tried the url it 404's

fathom




msg:247555
 8:07 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

OPD is still the best route to go.

Once submitting there - google will update (2 months on the outside).

MSN, AOL, Teoma, Inktomi, Overture (and associates Go.com and Excite), AltaVista, Lycos and AllTheWeb will grab and index any page submitted to DMOZ.org.

Locate as many catories that you are appropriate for and submit.

In addition perference for quick submissions go to categories with few listings already there.

jdMorgan




msg:247556
 11:15 pm on Jul 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

testa,

fathom nailed it... ODP - Good, quality companion sites listed with yours, and
a free ride to the top search engine's indexes for those who invest the time to
build a quality site.

If you're in a hurry, submit to PFI sites, too. But long-term, getting listed
in the ODP is a big advantage.

Jim

RaraAvis




msg:247557
 8:03 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I'm sorry...what is "OPD"? Is this Overture?

Don't you have to pay to be listed? Many of the sites we've developed are only 20-30 pages. So for now, we've done Yahoo! Express and paid Inktomi for about 20 pages w/ very nice results. I'm totally missing out, however, on Altavista, Netscape, etc.

Any help is greatly appreciated. What other "base" submissions should I do other than Yahoo and Inktomi?

ukgimp




msg:247558
 8:20 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hello RA

ODP is Open Directory Project [dmoz.com...] . Basically a directory of manualy reviewed pages.

Dont forget Zeal. I have submitted to them (after taking their test) and found the description I used migrating to MSN, (cant remember the other). Zeal allow free submissions if non commercail or non commercial information.

Cheers

fathom




msg:247559
 8:21 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi RaraAvis,

what is "OPD"?

OPD is Open Directory also known as DMOZ.org

Don't you have to pay to be listed?

No, OPD is a free submission editor review resource.

Many of the sites we've developed are only 20-30 pages. So for now, we've done Yahoo! Express and paid Inktomi for about 20 pages w/ very nice results. I'm totally missing out, however, on Altavista, Netscape, etc.

Any help is greatly appreciated. What other "base" submissions should I do other than Yahoo and Inktomi?

Currently I only submit to DMOZ (OPD), if submissions are accepted here, they will propagate to almost all Search Engines in 3 - 6 months(Yahoo excluded since it is a submission directory like OPD).

RaraAvis




msg:247560
 8:27 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Fathom,

Do you have to manually submit to DMOZ? Individual pages or just default page? Is there a paid inclusion? What do you do?

Thanks again!

RaraAvis




msg:247561
 8:30 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Oppps...

I almost forgot - I saw someone say you should submit to "multiple DMOZ categories"? Is this correct? Can you be listed this way? Do you have to submit to multiple categories to end up in multiple?

Thanks again!

NFFC




msg:247562
 8:41 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

RaraAvis welcome to WebmasterWorld,

>manually submit to DMOZ? Individual pages or just default page?

You need to chill out :)

DMOZ, imho, is the best listing you will get and it must be done right, take some time to really have a close look and get your submission 100% right first time.

Start here; [dmoz.org...] [laisha.com...] and here [dmoz.org...]

RaraAvis




msg:247563
 8:51 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

NFFC...

Now my feelings are really hurt. I was excited or "anxious" - just had a few questions. :)

fathom




msg:247564
 8:51 am on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Do you have to manually submit to DMOZ?

Yes manual only

Individual pages or just default page?

Most often your default, however, Any page (or main section page) that matches a category.

Is there a paid inclusion? What do you do?

No, and you should review DMOZ submission guidelines in order to create the best possible chance of being accepted.

I almost forgot - I saw someone say you should submit to "multiple DMOZ categories"? Is this correct? Can you be listed this way? Do you have to submit to multiple categories to end up in multiple?

In general you can receive 1 regional listing (2 if you are both a local vendor and national or international vendor) and 1 or more topical categories (e.g. a listings about your information, products or services)

multiple topical listings can occur if for example you:
1. design widgets,
2. fix widgets,
3. sell your own widgets
4. resell other vendor's widgets.

In this case four potential topical categories could be listed.

Should your web site be very diverse in topics or your web site covers multiple industries, segments or caters to multiple markets you can receive many listings in DMOZ.

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