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Complete withdrawl of IE for Mac
ritch_b




msg:976998
 11:51 am on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

As per Microsoft's product lifecycle table [support.microsoft.com], support and updates for Mac versions of IE will cease on December 31st.

As of January 31st, the ability to download Mac IE will also cease, as detailed on the Mac IE [microsoft.com] page.

I for one won't be sad to see the back of it.

R.

 

whoisgregg




msg:977028
 7:21 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

StupidScript's point about Mac monitors may be regarding gamma settings. You can run Windows on your Mac, but your monitor is probably considerably brighter than most Windows users.

One could talk about the futility of color matching for web sites at this point...

danimal




msg:977029
 9:12 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

the gamma differences between windows and mac monitors are insignificant, when compared to the brightness differences between crt's and lcd's in general... and there are far more of either of 'em on the 'net, than there are the total number of mac computers online.

from a business standpoint, microsoft was smart to drop software product development of mac products, simply because less than 3% of the computers on the 'net are macs... out of ~850 million total computers accessing the 'net.

bedlam




msg:977030
 9:56 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

from a business standpoint, microsoft was smart to drop software product development of mac products, simply because less than 3% of the computers on the 'net are macs... out of ~850 million total computers accessing the 'net.

The point I made in my earlier post--that it's not the absolute numbers of Mac users that's important, but how much money they spend in relation to how much it costs to deliver services to them--applies here too. 3% of 850000000 is 25500000, and 25 million computer users don't have to spend very much cash or buy very many products per person to be a worthwhile target for marketers.

Besides, where did you hear this nonsense that Microsoft has decided to 'drop software product development of mac products' anyway?

[microsoft.com...]

-B

robsynnott




msg:977031
 1:47 am on Dec 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

This isn't really a very big deal. IE for Mac used a completely different rendering engine from IE for Windows (or anything else) anyway. It's just one more weird browser gone.

danimal




msg:977032
 7:15 am on Dec 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>25 million computer users don't have to spend very much cash or buy very many products per person to be a worthwhile target for marketers.<<<

the fact that microsoft gave up on their mac browser proves how worthless the internet mac market has become... microsoft has a really long history of not giving up any kind of market share, in fact they are currently losing huge $$$ in several areas right now, just for a chance at future market share.

if microsoft thought that there was any profit at all in the internet mac market, they would not have bailed out on the mac browser.

MichaelBluejay




msg:977033
 11:37 am on Dec 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Microsoft bailed on their Mac browser because Apple started bundling one. It's hard to compete with what the manufacturer is giving away for free.

In general, though, it never ceases to amaze me that people think it's pointless to develop for the Mac because Macs have "only" 3% market share. Yeah, good luck developing for a market that's 33x larger but which has 70x as much competition. Many developers who weren't quite so stupid monopolized their industries and got nearly 100% of the 3%.

danimal




msg:977034
 4:46 am on Dec 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

perhaps you should tell the firefox developers that all the development work they did on their pc browser is a waste of time and energy, because it's not bundled with every pc, like internet explorer is.

microsoft has a 40 billion dollar cash reserve, and one reason they got there was by bailing out on markets with no future.

legallyBlind




msg:977035
 8:06 am on Dec 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Microsoft made IE for Mac at a time when it was really needed by Mac users and it was good for while. Today It does the mac community no good or bad. Since I am forced to visit websites that require IE5+, but as many know windows and activeX controls is also a part of the requirement, I tend to use Virtual PC to accomplish that task. With Safari's evolvement Microsoft is doing the right thing.

I would start to worry if Microsoft declared war and stopped the development of a crucial product for Mac OSX such as Office, MS Media Player or Virtual PC. I would rather have an Office product that has full support to all the document features generated by the Office for Windows vs. having a future IE browser with all the standard security hole that the Windows community is currently enjoying :)

solly




msg:977036
 5:32 pm on Dec 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

It seems most of you who are saying that the Mac market is insignificant because Microsoft stopped development of Mac IE aren't remembering why Microsoft (MS) developed IE in the first place.

MS (mostly Bill Gates) realized that the Internet was going to be big, and they were losing control to Netscape. MS approached Netscape to buy them out; Netscape refused. MS started bundling their browser with the Windows OS. But, there was another significant marketshare OS that they couldn't bundle IE with: the Macintosh. Then, it happened. MS and Apple made a 5 year deal to ship IE with every Mac and make it the default browser. MS agreed to develop a feature parity MS Office for the Mac for 5 years (and "invest" $150 million into Apple). Antitrust lawsuits followed...

Netscape is basically dead as a for-profit company. Microsoft IE "won." That is the reason why MS is ending development of IE.

It means nothing to the Mac community that IE is gone. Anyone developing a web-browser today knows to make it compatible with the IE way of doing things.

MS vs Apple (consumer OS battle). MS vs Netscape (Internet control battle). MS vs Novell (server OS battle). MS vs WordPerfect (word processing program battle). MS vs Sony Playstation (game console battle). MS vs Google (search engine battle). MS vs the [pick a country] government (Antitrust battle). MS vs "?" (open source projects, maybe?). All interesting battles. We'll see how many they can win...

danimal




msg:977037
 1:35 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

i don't see anyone out here claiming that the mac market is insignificant because microsoft stopped development of mac ie... the problem is much bigger than that.

mac market share has been dead for a long time because of steve jobs... microsoft owns the desktop computing world because they licensed all of their o.s.'s from the beginning... later on your friend steve jobs put a halt to apple licensing the mac o.s., screwing over some apple business partners royally in the process.

if steve jobs had licensed the mac o.s. from the beginning, things would be very different right now.

solly




msg:977038
 3:46 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

danimal,

microsoft owns the desktop computing world because they licensed all of their o.s.'s from the beginning... if steve jobs had licensed the mac o.s. from the beginning, things would be very different right now.

It is pure speculation that Apple would be better off w/licensing...my guess is that MS would have seen Apple as a direct competitor and killed them (or almost killed them) a long time ago, like they did with Novell's Netware or IBM's OS/2. MS wants only their "fair share" of the market, and their "fair share is 100%." Because the Mac hardware would only run the Mac OS, there was no direct threat to MS.

... later on your friend steve jobs put a halt to apple licensing the mac o.s., screwing over some apple business partners royally in the process

Apple gained nothing from the licensing. They lost their more profitable hardware sales to other companies. During that time, the "strategy" was to become just another hardware company, and start selling Windows or another OS with their hardware. (The OS they started selling was from NeXT and not Windows, thankfully.) They would then be competing with Dell and would be in the same position as Gateway or HP or Compaq. I can't blame them for halting the licensing, even if it "screwed over" Motorola, Power Computing, et al. Under my friend Jobs, the Mac market share has grown in the past few years...

I guess I don't understand what you meant by, "the fact that microsoft gave up on their mac browser proves how worthless the internet mac market has become?" Please explain...What I'm saying is that there is no relationship between the two...one does not prove the other.

whoisgregg




msg:977039
 9:52 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

We're treading a path that is no longer related to the original topic, not to mention already worn from years of travel.

I keep coming back to this thread surprised that more could be said about the EOL for Mac IE, only to find the discussion is no longer about that. If you want to discuss some of the specific points being raised, at least start a new thread so the participants can focus on one idea or argument.

solly




msg:977040
 10:38 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

whoisgregg,

You're right...all I was trying to say, which IS relevant to this thread, is that just because MS killed IE, does not mean that the Mac market is worthless. Thus, is not a reason for halting development of anything for the Mac. It doesn't mean anything else other than there is no more Mac IE.

If a company wants to stop supporting or worrying about Macs, then that is a market that other companies can come in and fulfill...

danimal




msg:977041
 1:26 am on Dec 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>It is pure speculation that Apple would be better off w/licensing<<<

that's true; and the fact that microsoft has made billions of $$$ by licensing all of it's o.s.'s, is of course something that apple should totally ignore :-)

>>>Because the Mac hardware would only run the Mac OS, there was no direct threat to MS.<<<

by that, you are referring to the miniscule desktop market share that apple has? and you don't believe that microsoft wants to own that tiny share as well?

>>>Thus, is not a reason for halting development of anything for the Mac.<<<

my relevant point is that bailing on the mac browser is part of an ongoing trend that the borg predicted, and that apple is taking part in:

Looks like Intel may be jumping in to help Apple, by signing on to design the motherboards for Apple's upcoming Intel-based Macs, expected to launch in early 2006.

In turning to Intel for help, Apple is sending two key signals. The first (no surprise) is that Intel and the x86 are king of the hill. The second more interesting message is that Apple has essentially completed its transition from an engineering company to a marketing-cum-lifestyle organization. Steve Jobs has proved he can sell sizzle, whether it's an MP3 player or a computer. Just how well he'll be able to do that when the Mac is little more than an x86 in Apple clothing could become his biggest challenge yet.

Alexander Wolfe over at techweb [techweb.com].

looking down the road, is your osx going to run on an apple intel pc or a pc intel pc?

ultimately, you aren't going to need any brand of mac-specific browser... because you are now part of the borg collective.

[edited by: tedster at 5:07 pm (utc) on Dec. 31, 2005]
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Lorel




msg:977042
 1:32 am on Dec 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just upgraded to OX 10.4 and IE 5.2.3 no longer works. I downloaded a new copy just to make sure it wasn't something on my end. All the other browsers work.

Anyone else experience this?

alaska cajun




msg:977043
 7:01 am on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here's a good read yall might like on this subject.

[macworld.com...]

BTW

New guy here,I've been reading for a few days now and I'd like to say thanks for what I've learned.This site has been a big help.

My Mac story:

In the summer of 04 I bought a new HP Pavilion with XP already installed.All was good for the first week and I was happy with it.Work took me out into the bush(off the road system here in Alaska) for a few months then I came home for a weekend and did what all good PC user's do.First I went to Norton and downloaded their updates,then to webroot and last,MS for their updates.(can't be to carefull in the PC world)

As I'm downloading the MS updates I notice that webroot turned off,then Norton,then I sat there for a few seconds as my screen started to look like the ones in the movies,the ones that turn into little black and white dots as my hard drive is being destroyed.

Needless to say,I was a bit upset but i only had 2 days oof and it was back to the bush for another 5 months.The day i got home I drove straight to the Mac store and bought a I-Mac G5 and I have only 1 regret,I had the whole 04 Moto GP season downloaded on to that PC and now it's gone.

I still have the PC and every so often I walk by and kick it.

Anyways,that's my Mac story and I'm glad to be a member here.

Later....AC

DerekH




msg:977044
 6:54 pm on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Alaska Cajun, and to the Mac bit in particular!

DerekH

travelin cat




msg:977045
 10:30 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Lorel, I am using IE 5.2.3 on 10.4.3 and it works just fine.

Lorel




msg:977046
 2:44 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for that info traveling cat. I still can't get mine to load.

I switched over to Safari and getting used to it now, except for a few minor things I miss from IE.

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