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The New iMac
Thin is in
photon

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Msg#: 580 posted 12:11 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

[apple.com...]

I think I like the look of the old one better though.

 

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Msg#: 580 posted 12:29 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Great! A pizza box!

Now, if only Apple could make it without the built in 17 LCD screen and sell it for 700 $, a lot of Wintel users would switch.

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Msg#: 580 posted 2:58 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was surprised with how much the new iMac looks like a PowerBook on a stand (although it looks like they may have been designing it as an iPod accessory).

It made this oldtimer think of his old PowerBook Duo. I wonder if Apple is considering a new take on the "convertible portable" idea.

I could be all wet, but I think this one looks like a hit. I like my G4 flatpanel iMac, except for the "G4" part.

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Msg#: 580 posted 3:04 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you had one of the most wildly successful devises of current time (the iPod), wouldn't you associate every thing you have with it...

Personally I really like it. I will miss the swing arm though. I have an iMac in my TV room on my coffee table. I worked out perfectly cause if I was sitting on the couch the iMac was visually just below the TV. If I wanted to lay down I could just swing the monitor out of the way.

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Msg#: 580 posted 3:22 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

(scratching head)
- All in one, thin, good for home, students, around the office use...
- Spendy, does not encourage people to upgrade I don't think...

Con: Imagine all those cables coming off the back of that monitor ha!

Now, if only Apple could make it without the built in 17 LCD screen and sell it for 700 $, a lot of Wintel users would switch.

Ditto on that!

I won't be upgrading our home computer to the new iMac... I guess I expected more... Not too impressed.

I would put the new iMac up there with the Cube ;)

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Msg#: 580 posted 3:27 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think imma have to get one of these for the bathroom. Mount it in the wall with wireless keyboard and mouse.... :P

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Msg#: 580 posted 3:42 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Con: Imagine all those cables coming off the back of that monitor ha!

You mean all three of them, right?

The one for power, the one for ethernet, and the one for the keyboard (mouse is attached to keyboard).

Or, if you go wireless, all one of them (power).

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Msg#: 580 posted 4:04 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Maybe I am too connected :)

My setup:
iPod
Printer
Firewire External (for media)
Wireless (Keyboard, 2 mice)
Camera (Video / Digital Camera)
Speakers
Phone line (Fax)

Airport (internal)

Apple is pushing all the external media support (And I am into my media) they should think about where cables are going to be connecting up.

Has anyone played with those monitors yet?
Not too tight, and I imagine all my cables limiting monitor movement - or monitor being pulled from all my connections.

The iMac prior to this one, everything was at the base, which made connecting devices easy and not so visible - which is Apple's intension to begin with... Less cables (ha! or less of a mess) now they become part of the decor of the new G5 iMac.

For all the media that hooks up to the Mac - Apple clearly did not put any thought into the design. Ports all on the back, Place up high, Visually ugly..

Don't get me wrong - I am pro Mac forever - I think this was just not what I expected with all the innovation going on at Apple these days.

:)

photon

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Msg#: 580 posted 5:38 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Pointed down, the speakers bounce sound waves off your desk, counter or table into your ears.

So if your desk is covered with papers and/or other debris, what does that do to the sound?

mivox

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Msg#: 580 posted 8:55 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

So, the whole "iMac is the low-cost entry-level machine that will entice new users to the world of Macintosh" marketing angle has been abandoned? I thought the whole POINT of the iMac was to keep the entry price under $1k...

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Msg#: 580 posted 9:00 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

There have been small - all in one PC - models for a while now - Google has a good example at #1.

$881 bucks.

:P

timster

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Msg#: 580 posted 12:21 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I thought the whole POINT of the iMac was to keep the entry price under $1k...

I don't think so. The original iMac was $1,300 when it came out, and newer designs were all four-figure. Only when they aged did they get discounted to $800 or so. Problem is, iMacs sell best when they're new and expensive.

The eMac [apple.com] is the sub $1K machine. The iMac is the stylish status symbol.

Regarding the cables, yes, this does seem to be a less than optimal design for a "digital hub." I don't even like them being on the back of my (G4 flatpanel) iMac. My notion is I should have to stand up to plug in a gizmo.

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Msg#: 580 posted 12:44 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I heard the gizmo was sheduled for 2 months ago. It was delayed because of a G5 chip shortage. Apple missed the 'back to school' rush on this one for the same reason again.

>>The iMac is the stylish status symbol.

Good for the receptionist, now can they think about the rest of the office? :)
Hats off to Apple's innovative approach, but it confines them to a niche market.

Honestly, I know a couple of network administrators who would just jump on cheap 'office' Macs. They had it with M$ security issues. There are millions of people out there exclusively using Excel, Word, a browser and some e-mail client daily. It's all what they need.

If only Apple was willing to pop a cheap box with a speedy G4 and no frills they could definitly expand their share in corporate market.

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Msg#: 580 posted 12:54 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

How come the fastest CPU they have is 1.8GHz? Isn't it a bit slow for the technologies these days?

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Msg#: 580 posted 2:06 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Honestly, I know a couple of network administrators who would just jump on cheap 'office' Macs. They had it with M$ security issues. There are millions of people out there exclusively using Excel, Word, a browser and some e-mail client daily. It's all what they need.

The eMac would fill that bill well. Unfortunately the perception amongst business people is the eMac is for kids only and not a serious computer.

I must say I like the new iMac - I want one. I have the same worry about the cords and the speakers expressed here, but I'd still like a 20 inch screen and a G5 chip.

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Msg#: 580 posted 2:39 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Looks like a Gateway design. Besides the MAC OS why would i get this over the Gateway. In terms of hardware design. I look to Apple for innovation in design, i'm scratching my head on this one. ?

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Msg#: 580 posted 2:59 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>The eMac would fill that bill well.

Not because of it's built in screen and all in one design wich limits expandability. (in their book). They want to replace the CPU but want to keep peripherals such as the existing screen. Sounds reasonable to me. A baby AT case would fit better in existing offices spaces too.

>>Looks like a Gateway design.

nosense,

Are you talking about this thing [products.gateway.com]?

If so, I tend to disagree. I would say the Gateway Profile line is a flawed copy of the Luxo iMac.

and it's Mac not MAC (different thing). ;)

dcrombie

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Msg#: 580 posted 4:05 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

A 1.8GHz Mac will generally out-perform a 3-4GHz PC.

The speed really is meaningless - you should be looking at FLOPS [google.com] ;)

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Msg#: 580 posted 6:21 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Now, if only Apple could make it without the built in 17 LCD screen and sell it for 700 $, a lot of Wintel users would switch.

What's amazing is that the new 17-inch iMac guts are only $600 (considering that an Apple 17" Studio Display [apple.com] is $699 without a computer stuck to the back!). When you subtract out the price of buying a nice Apple monitor, the price-performance of the new models becomes very attractive.

The 20-inch iMac is $600 over the cost of the new 20-inch Cinema Display.

Anyone seen what nanometer process the iMac G5 chips are made with? 130 or 90?

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Msg#: 580 posted 6:30 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

The PowerPC 970FX is 90nm, the 970 is 130nm, and the 980 is expected to be 90nm. IBM is trying to move to the 65nm node for future G5-series chips (only test chips were running at 65nm in Jan, 2004).

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Msg#: 580 posted 7:39 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

The eMac is the sub $1K machine. The iMac is the stylish status symbol.

The eMac didn't exist when the iMac was introduced though. The iMac was marketed as the entry-level "beginner's" Mac, for people who just wanted a home computer without the need for expansion and high performance. The eMac was introduced as an exclusively educational-market machine, and demand brought it out to the general market.

You had the "pro" towers, the "consumer" iMac and, later, the "educational" eMac; like you have the "pro" PowerBooks and the "edu/consumer" iBooks. The cube was the first G-series model that was blatantly marketed 100% on "cool" factor...

I agree with everyone who suggested they market a monitor-less iMac. I know they were originally touted as a return to Apple's old all-in-one form factor, but their monitors have just gotten too expensive to pull off a wide market all-in-one machine, IMO.

JonR28

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Msg#: 580 posted 5:12 pm on Sep 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'd just as soon attach a keyboard to the bottom of the monitor and use it as a laptop. I have to agree that this is not innovative at all. Its mostly just a speed upgrade.
Can't justify buying a expensive Mac over an affordable AMD64 with Linux Gento or Tru64 on it. But I guess I'm a bit geekier than the average mac/pc user. These things look good for grandmoms and ultra-trendy hipsters.

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Msg#: 580 posted 5:36 pm on Sep 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

<inside joke>

I never imagined this thread could turn into a geek pride [curefornudity.com] parade.

:)

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Msg#: 580 posted 8:18 am on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

lcd and everything included in an only 2" wide package? What about heat dissipation? This sorta scares me, I'd tend to think this puppy's reliability would be more like a laptop than a desktop.

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Msg#: 580 posted 11:43 am on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>What about heat dissipation?

[apple.com...]

Bottom left

Cool Operator

The speaker grill lets a trio of ultra-quiet blowers draw cool air into the system. These custom heat dissipaters can rotate at speeds as low as a few hundred RPM. Advanced thermal software spins them as fast or slow as needed and you’ll hardly ever notice them.


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Msg#: 580 posted 3:05 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

here's a shot of the innards: [tinkafoo.com...]
looks like they banked the RAM so air can circulate around it a bit better than in laptop RAM. Blower-style fans, necessary to do the job in that kind of environment. Intel and others have been thinking a long time about changing the general pc architecture to provide for a better airflow in a smaller enclosure, and if this truly does a good job on airflow, Apple has my full admiration for this design. However, Intel's new designs were never 2" thick. The 25 dB at a meter Apple cites is cooler than my self-built box with a quiet Antec case / 8cm fan / Zalman cooler set at very low RPM's. However, if I used this machine, I'd wanna be more diligent than I am now regarding backups.

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Msg#: 580 posted 7:01 pm on Sep 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Really, I think the desklamp design heralded in an unfortunate era of "We're trying too damn hard to be hip" with iMac designs. Hopefully, they'll realize they're just being silly after this one. I have hope: the toilet-seat iBooks only lasted a couple generations before the sexy little chiclet design came out...

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Msg#: 580 posted 4:58 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Got a 20" iMac in yesterday... gotta say it looks *real* nice in person. I had been concerned about all the cords coming out the back looking messy and pulling down the monitor, and it's not the case at all. Very pleased with the purchase, too bad it's not my machine. :D

dcrombie

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Msg#: 580 posted 5:42 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ordered mine this week ;)

luckychucky

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Msg#: 580 posted 6:06 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Look at that teensy little - and awesome - 40gb iPod. Or a 160Gb portable FireWire hd which fits in the palm of my hand with plenty of room to spare. Remember the first Motorola cell phones, those huge blocky tan monsters? Compare to the cute and potent little flipPhone with the built-in digiCam, MP3 player and personal organizer, which you can go out and score today, for a song...

Why is anyone still making/buying gargantuan G4 or G5 towers or their Windows equivalents? If you know you can squeeze all those guts into the tiny space behind an LCD screen, why can't we buy complete computers about the size of..dare I say...an iPod -- and we can customize our own freaking monitor and peripheral components? Who is still playing 8-track cassette tapes? As my 5th grade teacher used to write on my report card way back when:
"Could do Better."

Call me a spoiled brat consumer, but the future is now. We're asked to live in the past. I'm holding out as long as I can, until I get what I know is just around the corner.

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