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Why do you Mac?
A PC user looking for insight...
SEOMike




msg:976052
 3:48 pm on Jul 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Please, don't get upset. I'm not here to start a war or debate... I just want to try to understand people who swear by Macs.

What is it that turns you on about your Mac?

What functionality would you loose if you went to a comparably equipped PC?

What is your main complaint about PCs... the viruses and Micro$oft?

Why do you put up with such a small selection of software and aftermarket parts providers?

Is it your roots in Apple (most mac users seem to be life long) that have kept you in Macs?

Is a Mac REALLY worth paying SO much for?

I have versions of all the programs on my PC that my Mac guys use. It seems that Macs are evolving to conform... what are your thoughts on this?

 

Macguru




msg:976053
 4:33 pm on Jul 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

See recent discussion about same topic here :

[webmasterworld.com...]

microcars




msg:976054
 5:16 pm on Jul 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

What is it that turns you on about your Mac?

its a tool that works, I don't treat it like a fetish object.

What functionality would you loose if you went to a comparably equipped PC?

being able to surf the web, open attached files and emails without fear of damaging my system.

I couldn't use iMovie to quickly edit stuff (and it comes with the OS)

and of course, follow the Moderator's suggestion about the current thread referred to above.

What is your main complaint about PCs...

I assume you mean PCs running Windows rather than
PCs running Mac OS X or
PCs running Linux or some other OS

PC means Personal Computer last time I checked.

the viruses and Micro$oft?

security concerns are definitely high on the list. Microsoft itself is not high on the list of complaints (for me at least).
I also don't like websites that have been created to ONLY function with Windows and Internet Explorer. There is no good reason for it.

Why do you put up with such a small selection of software and aftermarket parts providers?

What am I missing again?

I don't use my Mac(s) for gaming, I use them to make money.
I highly recommend a fast Windows machine for gamers though.

Alternatively, I would ask:
"As a Windows user, why do you put up with the massive number of viruses and worms and patches that always seem to be in the news? And does all the Windows shareware or freeware also come loaded with Adware and Spyware? It appears that way."
I'll take a smaller market share of quality software thank you.

Is it your roots in Apple (most mac users seem to be life long) that have kept you in Macs?

that is actually a very good question.

I have used Macs since around 1985.
I have seen no compelling reason to move to a Windows platform yet.
There is no software I need to use that is Windows-only (yet)
I am not losing money by NOT using a Windows OS PC.

Every OS and platform has its flaws. The Mac OS just seems to have fewer of them.
That's also a reason I drive a Toyota.

Is a Mac REALLY worth paying SO much for?

For most "consumers" I would say "YES" and its not THAT much more money. You have to look at TCO (total cost of ownership)

After you purchase a Windows OS PC, what other add-ons do you have to purchase? Antivirus software is just one.

In the two years that I have owned my current iBook, I have friends who have completely REPLACED their Windows computers TWICE! And for no other reason than the estimate to REPAIR the damage done by worms and other malware and rescue their data was EQUAL or GREATER than the cost of just buying a new computer. So they go out to Best Buy and get the cheapest thing they can find again. For these people, the computer is NOT their Hobby. They don't want to configure it, they don't want to customize it. They just want to use it.

I have versions of all the programs on my PC that my Mac guys use.

You have iPhoto and iMovie and Safari?

It seems that Macs are evolving to conform...

I would have to disagree with you. What things are "evolving" that you see? And to conform with what?

Windows is the one that always seem to evolve to conform....to whatever new standard that Apple sets.

I've said it before: If you want to see what the Windows OS will be like in 3-5 years, go to an Apple Store today and see what is running on those Macs.

SEOMike




msg:976055
 5:36 pm on Jul 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the replies. Instead of continuing this thred... I'll go check out the other one and post questions there as appropiate.

AW_Learner




msg:976056
 12:40 am on Jul 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

What is it that turns you on about your Mac?

It's damn sexy and sleek. Thin, light, large 17" screen (powerbook). Easy to use. Always work. Functionality and the way it works makes instant straight-forward common sense without having to try to figure out what it is doing or why it is not working like on windows. Very stable. Very high resolution screens/icons. When I use OSX I feel like it is my own personal customized virtual world that I am in total control of and understand like the back of my hand. Like breathing. When I use Windows I feel like I am in a weird twilight zone cheese world, where nothing makes sense or works the way it's suppose to. And it's like I'm an unwelcome visitor that is totally abused. Everything is low res. and looks like a 2yr old designed it. And that's just the software. Get into the cheesy plastic toy like machines made for use with Windows. All gadgety and gimmicky but cheap.

What functionality would you loose if you went to a comparably equipped PC?

There's functionality in Windows?

What is your main complaint about PCs... the viruses and Micro$oft?

Everything about it. Can't write a book here. But I'll just say that in my book with PC's representing generic machines that run windows, "P.C." stands for "Piece of crap" and "Windows" is what it should be thrown out of!

Why do you put up with such a small selection of software and aftermarket parts providers?

Small selection? Are you kidding? The selection is HUGE! Just how much time is there in a day? Out of all the programs and software I have and that came free with my OS, I probably only use about 10% of them ever. Are you using a new software every 10 minutes? What is the point of that? The main thing comes down to the Quality of the software, not the quantity. It is a little frustrating when I see some software I would like to try out online that is for windows only. But I do have Virtual PC 6 running Windows XP. So I just download it anyways, fire up Virtual PC running XP and check it out on there. And even then, while using the virtual windows all it does is remind me how much I hate it and why I don't want to use windows. And the new software is hardly worth even using the virtual PC. I keep thinking about trashing it.

Is it your roots in Apple (most mac users seem to be life long) that have kept you in Macs?

Hell no I have no roots in Mac. I grew up using PC's with windows because that is what my family had and used. I didn't convert until 1998 when I met someone who used Mac's exclusively. It didn't take more then a day of using a Mac for the first time in my life to instantly convert me for the rest of my life. I was so happy to sell my PC! I hated it before I even ever experienced a Mac. Now I've converted my parents as well.

Is a Mac REALLY worth paying SO much for?

Well considering that I probably would barely use computers at all if it were not for being able to use a Mac I would say of course! They are not even comparable. Not now that OSX is out. It's like comparing a Yugo car to a Porsche or Mercedes and asking if a Mercedes is REALLY worth paying SO much more for. (Actually I prefer Landrover). Well it sure is as long as you have money. Mac's seem to keep there value much better too and are easier to sell since there are not as many of them on the market. I have gone through probably about 50 Macs so far. The most I have ever lost buying a brand new Mac and then reselling it on Ebay a couple years later has been a few hundred dollars. So it is almost like cheap renting. And I get to always have the latest version. Compare that to some PC servers that I bought a couple years ago for over $3,000 each and would be lucky to get $300 for today. In fact I have been trying to sell them for Months now with no luck! The market is saturated and they are worth nothing now.
That's a far greater loss in investment!

Not to mention that generally the only add ons I usually ever need to buy for my Macs are some extra ram, extra firewire storage and maybe an airport card. It comes pre-loaded with everything I really need right out of the box. And since I have switched to Mac I have not had ONE virus. I never buy the extra Apple Care Protection because I have not had to ever use it. If I did, I could just go down the street to my local Apple Store and they would fix it right there in a few minutes.

I have versions of all the programs on my PC that my Mac guys use. It seems that Macs are evolving to conform... what are your thoughts on this?

I have tons of programs that are only for Mac. Actually I can't wait until Apple starts taking over all the main professional programs. I'd like them to replace all my Adobe programs etc. Because they make all there in house software so much better and more intuitive and advanced then these 3rd party companies I use now. That is the way they are going too. They may have a small share of the market now but computers are still very new. They have great long term vision... My thoughts are that Apple seriously should be patenting all these amazing new things that there developers and programers create because they are ALWAYS copied and imitated a year later for the PC. But as they say, always imitated but never duplicated!

BTW- these are just my personal experiences and subjective opinions. Nothing objective and nothing against windows or those who like it. I just can't stomach using it myself.

yosemite




msg:976057
 10:56 am on Jul 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

What is it that turns you on about your Mac?
It is easy to use and configure. I am not computer savvy, on either platform, but I own both types of computers (let's count . . . 3 Macs, 3 PCs, yeah, okay).

Macs are easier, in general, to troubleshoot and configure, for me. Can't speak for anyone else, but just speaking for myself.

What functionality would you lose if you went to a comparably equipped PC?
I wouldn't be able to run Garageband and I would not enjoy working with Photoshop as much. Just for starters.

What is your main complaint about PCs... the viruses and Micro$oft?
I still use a PC and it's okay. But I tire of updating and virus checking. I do it, I can handle it, but it's tiring. As are the pop-ups and weird things that only affect PCs. I don't have to worry about them when I'm on my Mac. Surfing the web on a Mac is . . . peaceful. Yeah, that's the word.

Why do you put up with such a small selection of software and aftermarket parts providers?
::blinks:: What "small selection"? I have Dreamweaver. I have Word. I have InDesign. I have Photoshop. I have (sigh) Garageband, for which there is no equal on the Windows side. (No free 1000+ loops, no equal in ease of use, no low, low price.) What am I giving up? The choice of games? I don't play games. Don't care about that.

I don't "put up" with anything. I enjoy my Mac and I enjoy being productive on it. If I didn't enjoy it and didn't feel productive on it, I wouldn't use it so much.

I have an reasonably new (and quite powerful) PC sharing a monitor with my Mac. Anytime I don't want to "put up" with my Mac, I can just switch over to my PC. Funny thing is, I don't "switch over" all that often. Sometimes I turn on the PC, just because I feel guilty for not using it in so long. (Just so it's clear, I like my PC. I am simply more fond of my Mac, for most things.)

Is it your roots in Apple (most mac users seem to be life long) that have kept you in Macs?
I got my first Mac in late 1999. My "roots" are in PCs. I switched to Macs because I liked them.

Is a Mac REALLY worth paying SO much for?
Pardon me for saying it, but that's kind of a strange question to ask, isn't it? If I didn't think they were REALLY worth it, I wouldn't keep buying them, now would I? ;)

I have versions of all the programs on my PC that my Mac guys use. It seems that Macs are evolving to conform... what are your thoughts on this?
Huh? Photoshop was out on Mac before PC. Word has been available for Macs like, forever.

There is no version of Garageband and I suspect there never will be on the PC. No version of BBEdit, or Fetch, either.

mivox




msg:976058
 8:05 pm on Jul 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

worth paying SO much for?

Well, if you're looking at laptops (which I use almost exclusively), it's not that much more. I had a friend just starting college looking for a laptop, and he decided to get a Mac after checking prices on comparable PC laptops... with the educational pricing, the Mac was dead even on price. (Without the student discount, it's only a small difference.)

BlueSkyIS




msg:976059
 4:41 pm on Aug 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

As a web designer, developer and Unix admin, I use Macs because I get the power, stability and SAFETY of Unix with the ease-of-use of the Mac GUI and excellent support from Apple. Since OS X is based on BSD Unix, my locally developed PHP and Perl code runs unaltered on the many Unix/Linux computers I manage or install on. All of the familiar Unix/Linux shells and commands are the same; I don't have to spend time hacking around trying to get my Windows-born code to run on a Unix/Linux server.

As a gamer, I like knowing that the games ported to Mac are the BEST. I don't have the time, inclination or money to purchase the zillions of garbage-ware games initially developed for Windows. If a game isn't popular enough to be ported to the Mac, I'm probably not going to like it anyway.

Is it worth the money? Absolutely, and more. Every time I hear about yet another virus spreading from Windows PC to Windows PC across the internet; every time another friend explains that they had to reinstall their OS to get rid of spyware (and even this failed for my cousin), I am more thankful that I spent a little more up front to save a LOT more in time, money and frustration afterwards.

I converted from PC to Mac 10 years ago and have never looked back.

dcrombie




msg:976060
 12:36 pm on Aug 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Before OSX I was using Mac on the desktop and doing all my development remotely on *nix. Now I have 50+ development domains running locally on an iMac (Apache, PHP, ImageMagick, MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc, etc) and can synch them with the live sites at the click of a button.

OSX comes with Apache, PHP and (I think) MySQL installed by default and anything you're missing can be downloaded from entropy.ch or similar sites. Not to mention all the free updates from Apple for iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, i, i, i, ...

Frankly, it's a dream come true for my business and every time I'm forced to even look at Windoze I ask myself **** anyone would put up with such a backwards way of doing things.

;)

Edit: never been bleeped before!

Lorel




msg:976061
 7:28 pm on Aug 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

My Windows XP is not user friendly. I have to go read a book if I want to do anything. But on a mac it's logically simple to figure out what you want to do.

On the Mac I can click once and it shuts down. On windows I have to tell it Yes, 2 or 3 times. And the same thing happens with the programs--very irritating.

I've had my Power Mac 8600 since 94 and it was a couple years old then. I am still using a Stylewriter II Printer --probably originated in 1992 or? It runs as long as the energizer bunny.

I've never had to reinstall the OS on my power Mac. I'm upgrading to a newer computer and OS 10 but only because I can't use newer browers on the old one.

However my PC, which is about as old as my Mac (which I only got so I could use the Google toolbar and to view web sites on a PC) --had Windows XP freshly installed when I got it a few months ago and I used it about 10 times and it crashed and now I have to reinstall windows.

Enough said.

Lori

Brad




msg:976062
 9:54 pm on Aug 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>What is it that turns you on about your Mac?

The operating system is not in my face. With Windows I was spending more and more time maintaining the OS that I could have been using working.

>>What is your main complaint about PCs... the viruses and Micro$oft?

Viruses were a major reason for switching, I was getting bombarded at the time. I also realized that on my last two Win computers (Win 98 and Win ME) i had stopped trying any new major software for fear that the OS would become unstable.

>>Why do you put up with such a small selection of software and aftermarket parts providers?

It sometimes is hard. Not as much free software for the Mac. Also the lack of OS X games is a bummer.

>>Is it your roots in Apple (most mac users seem to be life long) that have kept you in Macs?

No I switched from Windows. I almost tried Linux but I really did not want to mess with command lines again. So I asked here about Mac's and Macguru and Mivox talked me into buying a eMac, so I'm blaming them. :) Seriously now I have this eMac and a iBook and I'm very happy.

>>Is a Mac REALLY worth paying SO much for?

I don't really think they are that high. Most come with a monitor so you need to factor that into the price. I used to buy a new PC every two years but I go a lot longer on the Mac before buying a new one.

>>It seems that Macs are evolving to conform... what are your thoughts on this?

I think it is the other way around. I think Windows is becoming more Mac-like. But they defintely watch each other for good ideas.

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