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Safari user agent
Is this a valid user agent?

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

Msg#: 304 posted 7:52 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've asked this question before and did not get a definitive answer. Hopefully someone/anyone can help me with this.

I am being deluged with requests to add the following user agent to the browscap.ini file I make available for download on the site in my profile.

All indications are this is not a valid user agent but now I'm beginning to have my doubts. I've seen this user agent in lots of logs but it is so out of sync with what Safari user agents normally look like that I think this is a spoofed user agent. For example, Safari did away with the (KHTML, like Gecko) portion of the user agent a long time ago. Now it seems to be back. Also, I've only seen whole numbers for the AppleWebKit and Safari versions and yet this one seems to have a major and minor version.

I really need help with this because I am not a Mac person and yet people around the world rely on my browscap.ini file for IIS, PHP, Java and even Sun One ASP so accuracy is very important to me.

Thanks in advance for whatever help anyone can offer.

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/85.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/85.5



10+ Year Member

Msg#: 304 posted 4:21 pm on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)


It's valid. The URL above reports the version of Safari I'm running as the one in question. I'm on Mac OS X 10.2.8 fully updated.


WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

Msg#: 304 posted 8:47 pm on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

I appreciate your reply but there's nothing on that page to confirm the user agent in question is valid.

Also, and I don't intend this as an insult, if this is the most current version of Safari why is the version number lower than the most recent one I've seen which is 97?


10+ Year Member

Msg#: 304 posted 9:03 pm on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes that is a valid ua for Mac users running Safari. Here is my ua for Safari on Mac OS X 10.3 which I just installed today :)

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/103u (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/100


WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

Msg#: 304 posted 9:21 pm on Oct 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for your input.

Safari sure makes it hard for me to keep an accurate record of their user agents.

If anyone from Apple/Safari is a member here it would be a huge help if they could design a page that lists all the valid Safari user agents.

Accuracy is very important to me, and to all the people who depend upon my browscap.ini file (over 1,000 downloads per day).



10+ Year Member

Msg#: 304 posted 11:17 am on Oct 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've taken a look at your <snip> page.

You've actually got two browsers in the list : Safari from Apple, and OmniWeb from The Omni Group - [omnigroup.com...] They are *both* using the AppleWebKit.

As to the discrepancy between the AppleWebKit/85.7 and Safari/85.5 with the version numbers not being in synch, this happens because AppleWebKit and Safari now can be updated independently. With the 1.0 release of Safari, they were split in two to allow other programs to use AppleWebKit - which is what OmniWeb now does. OmniWeb has completely dropped developing their own rendering engine and now focuses totally on the interface - like Safari now actually does.

Much of this information is actually stated in #2 on the URL I provided.

You'll also have to take note of the fact that some people have access to internal developer versions of AppleWebKit and Safari, and these versions will of course have higher numbers than what normal users have.

Keeping track of programs in rapid semi-public development and testing - like what Apple did to garner rapid user feed-back and bug-hunting - is one hell of a job.

- - - - - - -
Also as to you Mozilla versions:
these two
[Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh;?; PPC; *; rv:1.6*) Gecko/?]
parent=Mozilla 1.6

[Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh;?; 68K; *; rv:1.6*) Gecko/?]
parent=Mozilla 1.6

ought no longer to be valid since the first one is from Mac OS 9 under which Mozilla hasn't run since version 1.4. The second one ought to be from Mac OS 8.x and Mozilla has - as far as I know - never been able to run on Mac OS 8.x and 68k processors. And I *have* tried with the special version below on 8.1 *s*

There's a special version of Mozilla 1.3.1 for Mac OS 8.6 & 9.x. Information can be found here : [t3.rim.or.jp...] and [wamcom.org...]

[edited by: Macguru at 2:30 pm (utc) on Oct. 30, 2003]
[edit reason] Link to specifics removed, thanks [/edit]


WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

Msg#: 304 posted 7:42 pm on Oct 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks very much for some extremely valuable information. I'll check out all the links and other information you provided and report back here so everyone can benefit from this information about Safari (and OmniWeb).


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