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New Apple Browser Has Google Search Built-in
Called Safari, based on KHTML
atadams




msg:978018
 6:55 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Steve Jobs is giving the keynote at Macworld, and announced an entirely new browser developed by Apple called Safari. It is suppose to be the fastest browser out there (at least for Max OS X). One of the new feature is a built in Google search feature. Don't know if this replicates all or some of the features of the Google Toolbar. A beta will be available for download later today. I'll let (or the person who beats me to it) will let you know the feature set later.

 

Beachboy




msg:978019
 7:47 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hopefully the Toolbar will show up in that browser. It's about time.

Macguru




msg:978020
 7:50 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

As far I can see on screenshots, only a google search box is available from the tool bar.

More about it here :

[apple.com...]

Available for donload now :

[apple.com...]

I will be playing with this new toy later tonite. ;)

awcabot




msg:978021
 8:08 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just testing Safari. So far:

  • It seems very much based on Chimera.

  • I can finally read Greek web-pages in what seems to be a browser I will be using most of the time. A problem that I could only address with OmniWeb, which I did not really like.

  • Seems to be fast indeed.

  • There is the built in ability to search through Google US, without being forcefully re-directed to the local language. I do not like forced-redirects.

  • Javascript support does not seem to be as universal as in IE.
  • rrl




    msg:978022
     8:34 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Dammit, I want PAGERANK! How freakin' hard is it to hack? I'm getting tired of walking over and borrowing someone's PC just to see PR.

    RonPK




    msg:978023
     9:09 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Can someone post the user agent string? I'm wandering how to notice this browser in my server logs.

    littleman




    msg:978024
     9:11 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

    From the screenshots, the browser looks a lot like Phoenix.

    Macguru




    msg:978025
     9:14 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

    For its Web page rendering engine, Safari draws on software from the Konqueror open source project.
    ...
    Apple shares its enhancements with the Konqueror open source community.

    GaryK




    msg:978026
     9:51 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/48 (like Gecko) Safari/48
    Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/48 (like Gecko) Safari/48

    This is what I've seen so far in my logs.

    Edit: I added a second ua I just found that seems to belong to Safari. If you all use my browscap.ini file be sure you grab my latest update that includes Safari.

    transistor




    msg:978027
     11:39 pm on Jan 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

    I like it, just like any other browser for OS X there is, except for tabbed browsing.
    I'm so hooked on it that any other browser without it is like not worth it.
    It has VERY few preferences to set and it blocks pop-up windows.
    Renders all of my experimental CSS - XHTML.
    Don't know how good it is with JavaScript yet.
    Can't say how fast it is because I've been transferring large files all day.
    Integration with other applications, like Address Book and Mail is very good (well, it better be, right?).
    Loads and displays Flash, Shockwave and RealOne Player just fine.

    Looks good, but I'm going back to Mozilla :)

    littleman




    msg:978028
     12:31 am on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    >>Apple shares its enhancements with the Konqueror open source community.

    [lists.kde.org...]

    Sort of nice to see Apple give back some.

    GaryK




    msg:978029
     1:00 am on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    What version would you assign this browser based on the user agent? For now I am using version 48 but this seems really silly to have the first beta release be 48. I wonder if it's really 0.48? Does anyone know?

    JeremyL




    msg:978030
     4:02 am on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Sigh, yet another browser to worry about.

    Hardwood Guy




    msg:978031
     7:10 am on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    And Jeremy mentions it best!

    eboda




    msg:978032
     8:34 am on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    I agree agree agree!

    What is the point of offering Google built in to a browser if it is not going to support the PR system?

    Funny thing is, all I use my PC for is Database and checking PR.

    Apple of all people should know the business market, and Apple media developers. Come on already PR Bar Please!

    my rant for the day!
    eboda

    eboda




    msg:978033
     8:41 am on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Nice.

    I installed and used the new browser and really quite fast in relation to about everything. Relates well with .CSS - nice (so far).

    Still lacking some features, but I am impressed.

    currybet




    msg:978034
     8:50 am on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    "What is the point of offering Google built in to a browser if it is not going to support the PR system?"

    maybe because nobody in the 'real world' outside of webmasters and seo's actually understands or has any interest in page rank - they just wanna search ;)

    RonPK




    msg:978035
     10:10 am on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Thx for the ua string. The version number is indeed weird, as is the 'like Gecko'. Why no reference to KHTML?

    Here's a nice review: [diveintomark.org...]
    Safari doesn't do very well...

    Macguru




    msg:978036
     12:12 pm on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Not bad at all for a first public beta. I dont see it much faster than Chimera, it lacks tabbed browsing and I have encountered a few CSS positionning problems. But overall, it is a very promising browser.

    I read somewhere they expect a first stable version within 6 months.

    jtoddv




    msg:978037
     1:45 pm on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Dead on Currybet.

    Do you really think the guy over in Hollywood doing video editing really gives a rats bum about PR displaying in his browser window? People concerned with PR using Macs is probably 0.02%.

    Macguru




    msg:978038
     2:20 pm on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    >>Sigh, yet another browser to worry about.

    JeremyL,

    Just browse this forum a bit and you will see that most threads are related to IE-Mac bugs.
    I sincerely hope that Safari will soon make IE one bugger NOT to worry about anymore. :)

    awcabot




    msg:978039
     6:16 pm on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Further tested the browser today and have been noticing mostly the faults of it.
  • There seem to be some alignment problems with a list inside a table.
  • Unable to render the font "Symbol".
  • Does not spontaneously interact with the Keychain application for storing passwords.

    On the better side:

  • It does really seem fast.
  • There is a tool of reporting bugs to Apple. Unique :)
  • Yidaki




    msg:978040
     9:29 pm on Jan 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

    >People concerned with PR using Macs is probably 0.02%.

    ... 0.021%!

    :)

    Brad




    msg:978041
     2:57 pm on Jan 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

    It deals with Javascript much-much better than Mac opera 6.
    Pretty fast.

    It needs Keychain support - badly.
    It needs tabbed browsing.
    It needs to support more search engine forms than just Google.

    Still not bad for a beta. :)

    Macguru




    msg:978042
     11:09 pm on Jan 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

    More than half a million downloads already [biz.yahoo.com].

    jamesa




    msg:978043
     4:59 am on Jan 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

    >> Sigh, yet another browser to worry about.

    If it supports standards (which I think it does) then there should be nothing to worry about.

    GaryK




    msg:978044
     6:22 am on Jan 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

    There appears to be an update available based on the latest UA I saw:

    Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/51 (like Gecko) Safari/51

    BjarneDM




    msg:978045
     1:26 pm on Jan 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

    take a look here:
    [apple.slashdot.org...]

    and here:
    [mozillazine.org...]
    for the latest - updated regularly

    As to how Safari compares to Mozilla, IE and Opera, I'm seeing some css-issues with Safari that I don't see in either IE or Mozilla. On the other hand, css-positioning seems to be *much* better than the ones in both IE And Opera, css-issues that I see in Opera 6 are working better but not perfect in Safari

    And remember: this is *still* beta, so don't expect 99% error free.
    If you choose to use it, do use the built-in bug-reporter.

    some issues seen:
    if you use css to define a:<pseudoclasses> with a background image that switches,
    -- Mozilla and IE displayes correctly
    -- Opera 6 doesn't display css background images for anything but body
    -- Safari switches on a:hover, but doen't switch back again when the mouse moves away

    css isn't applied correctly to <option> elements in <select> lists

    If you are testing a site locally, [localhost...] doesn't work, but [127.0.0.1...] works perfectly

    jamesa




    msg:978046
     7:47 am on Jan 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Some users are reporting that using option-click to download wipes out their users directory, according to allosx.com. Apple released a recommended update, but doesn't mention whether it resolves the problem.

    Macguru




    msg:978047
     5:13 pm on Jan 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

    Yes jamesa, the new 0.81 version fixes that serious error.

    Now 1 million downloads. In less than 2 weeks.

    [biz.yahoo.com...]

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