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HollyHats

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Msg#: 98 posted 8:19 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

If my site was picked up by SE by the domain name and not the actual url, then what happens when you get a new host and url?
Do you have to re-submit to the search engines, or will you site automatically be redirected to the new url?

 

deejay

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Msg#: 98 posted 8:31 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Hollyhats

I think maybe you mean IP address rather than URL?

Domain name: www.mysite.com

URL: www.mysite.com/page1.html (technically a specific page rather than a whole domain)

IP address: that weird set of numbers that identifies where your domain lives.

If you change hosts and move your domain and all the pages of your site (URLs), then you need to advise whoever your domain name registrar is of the new IP address for your site (get it from your new host). It will take a couple of days for it to be reset, but that is all you will have to do generally and your traffic will be sent to the new IP address.

I understand some search engines/indexes do record your listing with them by the IP address rather than the URL, but they should take care of themselves in fairly short order.

I've just moved a site myself... took about 48 hours for it to switch over. Pretty painless really.

Slade

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Msg#: 98 posted 8:31 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you're talking about your site being yourdomain.tld, if you move hosts, you wouldn't get a new URL, just a new host. There is no penalty(known) for swapping hosts.

If your site is you.hostdomain.tld, you'll need to set up redirects to point people visiting your old site to your new one. If you do this you risk a lot of loss of links. If your site was apples.somehost.com, and you move to apples.spiffynewhost.com, you have to convince all the people that linked to your somehost.com account to update their links. As long as apples.somehost.com stays alive and points people to your new site, you won't lose anything. If that site goes away you could be out some links.

Slade

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 98 posted 8:34 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hmm... same time posting...

Just an aside... When you say "picked up by domain" do you mean that the SE has your site as yourdomain.tld, and you expected it to be yourdomain.tld/index.html?

HollyHats

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Msg#: 98 posted 8:40 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

My domain name is hollyhats.net
My new google listing says www.hollyhats.net

when you go to www.hollyhats.net, it goes thru [members.cox.net...]

Now, I suppose that will change because I have a new host. (who is supposed to activate in 24 hrs)

So, now knowing this does it still stand that I should be okay?
Thanks in advance. This is really helpful to me...

HollyHats

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 98 posted 8:52 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

My domain name isn't included in my url right now. Is that wrong?

jdMorgan

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Msg#: 98 posted 1:06 am on Sep 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

HollyHats,

My domain name isn't included in my url right now. Is that wrong?

Yes, that is wrong! Well, it's "sub-optimal", shall we say...

Once your new hosting account is activated, they will give you an IP address, like [127.0.0.1...]
You can use that to upload your site contents to your new host.

After that is done, you (or your new hosting company) should contact your domain registrar, and have them update your DNS (Domain Name Server) record. The DNS record says, "hollyhats.tld" means 127.0.0.1". Therefore, anyone who enters your domain name in their browser gets connected to your new server.

Since the numerical address doesn't normally show up in links, most folks are unaware that they could also use a numerical address to get to any site if they know the number. Domain names are just a convenient way to name sites, since most humans would have trouble remembering all those long numbers!

It will take several hours to several days for the new DNS record to propagate to DNS servers worldwide. During that time, some visitors will connect to the old server, and some will connect to the new server. Companies like Google - who keep their own DNS information - may not update for several months. That's the reason for the advice you see here on WebmasterWorld recommending that you keep the old site on-line and keep it updated for awhile.

Since you are a new customer for your web hosting company, you should ask them for help if any of this is unclear or if you just can't get things done. They have a vested interest right now in keeping you happy, and will probably help you out.

Hope this helps,
Jim

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