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300 MB bandwidth for traffic much?
i really need help
HollyHats




msg:967319
 2:22 am on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

can anyone help me to understand how much 300MB of traffic bandwidth is. Is this a little, or a lot. Approx. how much traffic could that handle. How many hits? And what about 10MB of disk space.

 

HollyHats




msg:967320
 2:50 am on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Anyone?

jdMorgan




msg:967321
 2:51 am on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

HollyHats,

300MB of bandwidth? Assuming you mean 300MB per month, that is a fairly small amount. Let's say your home page is 30K (Check its filesize on your machine and compare). Then 300MB would be sufficient to allow visitors to download that page 10000 times per month. Of course if you have 9 more pages on your site, and every visitor requests all 10 pages, then your quota would allow 1000 visitors. This would do for a small specialty site, but I emphasize small and specialty!

10MB of disk space... Well, how big is the hard drive in your computer? How much of it is taken up by your local copy of your site files? Again, 10MB is fine for a small specialty site, but not for a bigger one.

Just for comparison, an account I control for a small site has a bandwidth limit of 7500MB, and a disk quota of 200MB. This is in the "$29.95 a month" category of shared server pricing.

The numbers you are quoting can be had for free along with a well-advertised national (USA) dial-up ISP service costing $10.00 per month.

I hope this helps you "get a feel" for the numbers - You will develop a sense about these things over time. I would advise you to start with more server capacity than you need and scale down from there, rather than getting a small quota and banging into the quota limit three days after you take your site live! This happened recently to someone here at WebmasterWorld, and his only alternatives were to pay a ridiculous "over-quota" fine, or take his site off-line for several days. I believe he opted for the off-line method... OK for a hobby site, but not good if you're an e-commerce site!

Hope this helps,
Jim

korkus2000




msg:967322
 2:57 am on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I would never get a hosting plan with less than a gig, bare minimium. You never know when you will need it. If you are planning on having more than 20 pages and trying for more than 5000 visitors a month + all the bandwidth you use maintaining the site, then go with a gig or more.

10 megs maybe enough depending on what the site is doing. Static html and small graphics don't take too much space. Dynamic database driven sites with user content takes a whole lot more.

FWIW Brett says he uses 2 gigs a day in bandwidth for webmasterworld.

HollyHats




msg:967323
 3:08 am on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Jim-
Thank you, thank you. I was so confused. I am new to this whole thing and boy...it's going to take a while to grasp all of this. Your information has given me a lot to think about. No wonder people hire a webmaster to do the work. It's a wonder they have hair left! Or do they:>
I see that some hosts ask that you pay for a year up front. Is this common practice or should I look for one that charges monthly or quarterly? How long does it take once you buy the space to add your site? Are there any tips on what to watch out for? AKA the rip offs? You said that if you run out of bandwidth (which I might because I don't think I have enough right now)you either have to pay a fee to stay on or wait it out a couple of day. Is it just for a couple of days, or a whole month? (since they charge by the month)And do you have a favorite site to buy space from?

HollyHats




msg:967324
 3:19 am on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thank you Korkus. All the info I can get is so helpful. My husband and I built my site. We bought some books and learned what we could on our own, but had no help. We would go in the msn chat rooms to get advice when we were stuck. Yikes.
We submitted and got accepted in to google (still crossing our fingers during the dance)
Well, glad....so glad to have found this place. It's soooo useful.

jdMorgan




msg:967325
 3:35 am on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

HollyHats,

I'm in the same boat you are - maybe a few years along. I log in here at WebmasterWorld to learn! Every once in a while, I can contribute something...

On the few sites that I run (I have a different day job), I always sign up for the longest term available if I have prior experience with that hosting provider. It's just a better deal, and moving sites is not my favorite thing to do. Lower price, less paperwork, less maintenance with a longer-term account.

Time to get on-line? In my experience registering a domain name and buying hosting space in a package deal, it took 3 to 5 days. Buying separately takes longer, since you have to get your new IP address from the hosting service, and tell the domain name registrar so they can set up the Domain Name Server. You can upload your site and begin testing as soon as you have your IP address if you use relative, rather than absolute links on your pages.

Rip-offs? Stay away from any hosting service that won't give you enough control to block bad robots. For Apache/Unix hosts, this means you need .htaccess with mod_rewrite enabled. For IIS and other servers, this means your control panel must allow you to block access by user agent, IP address, and referer at a minimum.

There are a lot of "resellers" out there. They buy bandwidth and disk space in bulk from major providers, and re-sell it by running virtual hosting programs on the server. In general, the measures they must take to prevent their users from interfering with each other's sites limit how much "power" they can allow you to have in controlling your server environment - That's a problem. So, I prefer to go with the companies that actually own and administrate their own servers. (I hope I have stated only the truth here and don't offend any resellers who are present.)

Exactly when you might run out of bandwidth is dependent upon how much you are allowed, and how much you and your users consume. And don't forget all those e-mail harvesters, site downloaders, and search engine robots. If you don't control which of them can access your content, you can easily lose control and quickly go over quota. It might happen on the 28th of the month, or on the 2nd! That's why I insist on the hosting provider giving me the tools to deal with this issue.

A good rule of thumb is to guesstimate your need (by looking for competitive sites that have "hit counters" on them, and looking at their page sizes). Then double it. Then double it again (and maybe once more) to be safe. Like I said, better to pay for too much bandwidth at first and then scale down than too pay for too little and get cut off mid-month. (This does argue in favor of a short-term contract until you get used to these ideas.)

I don't want to violate the WebmasterWorld TOS by posting my personal preferences, but there was a thread here within the last few weeks about web hosting services - do a site search for related terms.

I hope I answered most of your Q's well enough to keep you busy for awhile - It is time to retire in Texas...

Jim

HollyHats




msg:967326
 11:55 am on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thank you Korkus. Your info is a tremendous help!

HollyHats




msg:967327
 12:21 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I checked out some hosting plans. Here is what I found that is within my very very small budget. How does this sound. I know that you would need my site stats for a more accurate guideline...but just in general would be fine.
I went to westhost and liked them because they seem pretty "new user" friendly. I haven't bought the space yet, because I need some input first.
300 MB storage
12 G bandwidth
$20 monthly
Another question that I am sure sounds really stupid but,
If I pick a new hosting plan, but keep my already established domain name, then will I have to re-submit my url to sites or will my domain redirect to my new host?
In other words, if the search engine picks up:

hollyhats
site description
www.hollyhats.(whatever)

Since I didn't actually use my true URL to begin with, what will happen if I change my host?
description

korkus2000




msg:967328
 12:40 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

That should be more than enough for hosting. You need to change your nameservers to your new host at the place you bought your domain name. When you sign up at westhost they should give you the nameserver information. Search engines will find your pages as long as they are associated with your domain name.

txbakers




msg:967329
 1:07 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Speaking of Bandwidth:

I was wondering how I would track bandwidth usage on my own server. I haven't figured that one out yet. I have the raw logs and the gui from analog/rmagic but I don't recall seeing a bandwidth usage report.

I'm on IIS

ergophobe




msg:967330
 8:40 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

www.devshed.com has an excellent search engine for finding hosting.

Tom

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