|I Need a New Hosting Company|
my current hoster has lousy stats interface
| 8:21 pm on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)|
My site uses frames heavily, and my current hoster's stats don't work correctly with the frames.
Any suggestions? I'm using the big Y to host my .com right now.
Any help greatly appreciated!
| 10:53 pm on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Is moving to a non-frame layout an option for you? I don't know how your page works, but there are many advantages in doing so, especially with search engines.
| 12:07 pm on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
What do you mean with lousy? What would you expect from the stats?
Recently i also decided to change my host, i used the advanced search in findmyhosting.com. I donít know if that site is reliable, but it suited my needs.
| 2:10 pm on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
The stats are lousy because...
A: There is no way to filter a time period, in other words, what hits did I get this month, this week, what's getting hit today, etc... Just a total number of clicks per page.
B: Pages with frames show zero hits, always
C: Very buggy, for instance, when i click "referrer", and "search engines" to see who's sending me hits, it only shows google, even though i get hits from many search engines.
D: I can see keywords from google for certain pages, and not for others, and from NO other search engines
E: I have been crawled, but have no logs to check on the crawls, and can't even tell from my stats that I have been crawled.
These are just examples, I'm totally blind as to my traffic
| 2:23 pm on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
MWPRO said... "Is moving to a non-frame layout an option for you? I don't know how your page works, but there are many advantages in doing so, especially with search engines."
= Well, the frames work well for me in all other regards. As far as the search engines, they haven't had a problem with my pages, as I put a copy of the meat of my page in the "no frames" area of my page.
Also, my stats problems are bigger than frame issues. A running total of page clicks ( with no date filters ) just doesn't do the trick for me. I can't even reset all of my page hits to zero (I asked their tech support, and they wouldn't either). (See above post for more problems)
| 2:41 pm on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I've had problems with stats programs that hosts run. Is that really a good reason to find another host? I would think that other issues are more important, like if the servers stay up and running. You could always download the log files and run any number of stats programs. I don't know if that would help with frames, but it seems to me that log files are log files regardless of the host, right?
| 2:55 pm on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
They don't offer the log files with my package. But now that you mention it, they do have more expensive hosting packages that include access log downloads.
I hadn't gotten excited about that option, as a text log didn't sound like what i needed. But, your suggestion of a third party program to look at the stats is awesome. Are there any free programs, or inexpensive ones that anyone could recommend?
Many thanks to everyone!
| 3:46 pm on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Changing the host wouldnt help. Standart packages included with hosting wouldnt get you better stats. For that reason I broke out of frames and I am very happy about that. I thought frames worked well for me, but only after I drop it I learnt how wrong I was.
I can use standart stats packages now.
The page size is cut down by 2/3.
The page loads faster.
Server load is down as well.
My site appear much higher in search engines.
Do you need more reasons?
| 3:55 pm on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Are there any free programs, or inexpensive ones that anyone could recommend? |
Wusage - but there are other opinions.
| 4:10 pm on Jun 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
First, i agree that you should consider a redesign without using frames. This has nothing to do with the stats though.
You say that you have your page contents duplicated in the "noframes" space. This is not a very good idea, as your pages are now twice as "heavy" as they could be. Simply put, it's not very user-friendly, plus it seems ..hrm.. like.. well.. *deleted* ... to serve the content two times for each page.
I do not know the major SE's policies toward duplicated content, but i am sure others do.
|But, your suggestion of a third party program to look at the stats is awesome |
Here, i would recommend you to look for a hosted stats/tracking solution. These can give you good stats no matter if you have frames or not.
It's not a counter, though, like the so-called "stats" your current host gives you. Apart from this it works the same way: put a little script at the bottom of the pages you want to count, then simply read the stats right off your browser.
There are a lot of them out there. Try searching for "hosted stats", "hosted tracking", "hosted traffic measurement" or whatever you prefer to call it.
...ooops.. prices.. from free to very expensive.