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affnewbie

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 12:29 am on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I recently started to develop my first website. I have no programming/HTML experience as a non-techie am using Yahoo SiteBuilder. I have two problems:

1. When I align pictures/images in a certain position and go to preview them, they show up differently in the web browser? e.g. they have more space b/w them even thought i choose to space them "edge to edge".

2. Is there anyway to modify the size of copied/pasted HTML graphics or text?

Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks!

affnewbie

 

consumergrief

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 11:58 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just want to mooch a ride with you.

I have used Geocities Pagebuilder for years, and it is a simple WYSIWYG program. But the pages do post differently than what they look like in previews.

Sitebuilder is a frustrating WYSIWYG piece of .

This morning I signed up with Yahoo for their Starter at $11.95 a month, and all day I have been getting misinformation from their employees. Yet, I was already told by one of their customer service reps that I was stuck with them for at least 11.95.

(Aside from Sitebuilder mangling of HTML) What You See Is Not What You Get. My pages are off center,as is the text compared to the preview. Not to mention the fact that my mouse arrow is not working once I start inserting things, or doing any more than writing text.

Is it just me?

themetalpeddler

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 12:09 am on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just wrote my new site on SiteBuilder also.

For the mis-alignment problem, try this:
On the Toolbar, Click Arrange, Snap to Grid (it may also help you to check Show Grid)
This "holds" items in place so they should stay where you want them

Let me know if that helps

bskull8

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 5:50 am on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

i am attempting to build my first site and geocities offers a free one but, it says that the server is broke or down not allowing me to enter? dont want to have to pay till i understand what ia m doing next will be the adwords? any suggestions

misscoconut

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 9:07 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

i just built a new site with Yahoo!Sitebuilder too.

i cut & pasted a block of html into my home page & suddenly all of my carefully placed pictures were all over the place!
And as soon as i removed the html box, everything was perfect again!

The yahoo people also suggested the grid-lock function, but i cant get mine to work. (show grid, select items, click lock to grid, nothing)

Does anyone know how to keep the text & images in-line while inserting html to yahoo!sitebuilder pages?
Any help would be much appreciated!
thanks!

lisaaha

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 4:37 am on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree with themetalpeddler msg.#:3! The Snap to Grid is the only way your photos, text, etc. will stay in place. I learned that through trial and tribulation! It does help to check Show Grid! Just have to play around with it until it looks the way you want it, then leave it alone! Good Luck!;)

misscoconut

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 2:34 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

ok, at the risk of sounding totally stupid...

how does the yahoo!sitebuilder grid function work?

here's what I've been doing, & it's not working!
1> show grid
2> select all items to be held in place
3> click 'snap to grid'

nothing! none of my pictures move! at all.
what am I doing wrong?

and while I'm at it, does anyone know if sitebuilder supports meta tags? I have lots of keywords, but no meta tags that the Search Engine Optimization sites are so interested in. does any one know any more about this?

this is my first site, I have no training. ANY information at all is hugely appreciated.
thank you so much!

themetalpeddler

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 8:10 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

First off, I think if you are using HTML to add your pics, you need to physically drag the HTML box into position also. The HTML doesn't have to be huge, you can reduce the size of that too with the drag freature so you can position pics closer to each other.
Also, don't forget to use align or center HTML tags within the box
On pages where I did use HTML for pics, I used tables for better alignment & positioning and then chose no border so you cannot see the table on the webpage

For most pages, I just used sitebuilders Insert Picture function which will Snap To Grid. I also have the Show Grid checked

One thing check the size of your page. Click Edit, Page Properties. What width is your page?

Meta tags are supported. In Edit, Page Properties, fill out page title, keywords etc and thay automatically fills out your meta tags for you.
When you publish the update to your site and View Source, you will see all your Meta Tags.

One problem I have not worked around is there is no line for Meta Description. I added it manually in HTML but sitebuilder overides it every time.
Yahoo support said do it via the domain panel and import to sitebuilder but again, sitebuilder takes it out and customer services just answer with irelevant stuff.

I haven't figured out how important this is. A couple of small search engines rejected my site because this line was missing in the headers but I got into Google & Yahoo etc so I'm not sure it matters too much. My meta Title and Keywords DO show up and I think that's more important

themetalpeddler

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 6:27 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well after all my advice, I am having the same problem now with pictures moving around. I made a minor edit to my home page & all the pictures are off skewed now.

I am having to move them in Sitebuilder and keeping checking the web browser to see where they are appearing on the web page. I can't figure out why it's happening at all!

misscoconut

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 7:51 pm on Feb 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

thanks for all of your advice!

i am relieved to hear that yahoo and google both picked up your site, i am still waiting... but very glad to know that the meta-tags are not necessary. i'm sticking with my keywords & title for now.

sorry to hear that you are having the photo-placement problem again!
the only way i could fix it was by completely removing the html insert (its just a webring link, text & one photo). again, my "snap to grid" does nothing, so that's not helping.
right now i have the html all the way over the far right of my page, which seems to leave everything on the left side in place-- but my page is super-wide no matter how many times i re-adjust the page size & re-publish! ugh. yahoo sitebuilder really has a mind of its own!

please let us know if you have any luck keeping your page elements in place! thanks again, your input is sincerely appreciated!

affnewbie

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 12:25 am on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

i have had the same experience (per my 1st post).

1. I just removed some html and tried to place it to one side too...

2..and yes i must have tried to adjust the page size multiple times and it doesn't comply most of the time

any expert out there? i had no success with customer service. did receive the opportunity to fill out a survey for them recently and i really made it a point to bring up everything that is troublesome

if any of you get the oppty do the same...in the interim though what do we do? if there was a method to the madness one could work around it...but sitebuilder completely goes nuts sometimes

tonyjackson

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 6:29 pm on Feb 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

To be honest MS Frontpage and Dreamweaver are just as user-friendly as far as WYSIWYG editors go, and you get a lot better functionality. Why not try them?

affnewbie

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 2:15 am on Feb 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Comparing just MS Front Page and Dreamweaver...would you recommend one versus the other for someone who is very NON-technical with no programming experience...

I'm willing to give another program a shot for my next site...as Yahoo just doesn't cut it.

drumandstage

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 2:51 am on Mar 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, Guys I think I got it. I am not real smart about the website stuff, but I have had the same troubles for a while. And I'm assuming that the cause is the same for all of us. The guy with the problem with his grid may need to update or reinstall, if that is an option for him.

The Problem: When the the HTML box is calibrated by the grid, it won't won't line up very well with the text, because the text is spaced based on font size and so on. Therefore, when using the grid, there is no direct relationship between the gird and mulitple lines of text.

The way I am dealing with this is to copy and paste each bit of test that is going to have HTML related to it in a seperate text box so I can align them with each other using the grid.

There are still some other glitches, but this is far better than what I was dealing with.

I had limited success setting all the text/photos of the page up using the grid and then "freehanding" the HTML box.

I had read your troubles and was trying to figure this out myself. I am satisfied with my discovery and havea ton to get accomplished, but I signed up so I could let you guys in on what I found out. I won't be back around. I hope I've been helpful.

[edited by: mack at 4:41 am (utc) on Mar. 20, 2005]
[edit reason] No url's please { ;-) [/edit]

misscoconut

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1870 posted 2:42 pm on Mar 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,
Thanks for the HTML help. I'm giving up on SiteBuilder!
I recently preveiwed DreamWeaver and FrontPage. Though I've been told that DreamWeaver is just as user-friendly as FrontPage, I'm quite certain that if you can handle Yahoo! SiteBuilder you can easily handle FrontPage as well (all without a weekend seminar in Arizona!). They are both set up using the familiar Microsoft format-- I love it! The DreamWeaver stuff just seems more complicated than I have the time for. It supposedly does more fancy applications, but if I can't figure out how to use them it's no help to me! So, I plan to buy the cheaper & easier to use (by web-dummy standards, of course) FrontPage in the next few weeks (but beware, Yahoo!Merchant Solutions only supports the older, 2002 version of FrontPage!)

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