| 9:32 pm on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Thank You Nick_W
Good, easy is what I need.
| 9:42 pm on Sep 25, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I started coding it manually and I've tried TopStyle but I just didn't like it. It's like learning another language in itself, and I just feel restricted.
>Not so! HTML/XHTML -> CSS is very easy...
That's so true...
| 1:07 am on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)|
gsx - Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I do code everything by hand. Code completion in Emacs ammounts to 'C-c /' to write an end tag for the currently open tag. I just love syntaxt highlighting, and smart indentation, and other formatting niceties that make it easier for me to keep track of the structure of what I've written.
Nick - When I first got into *nix, I actually made the vi/emacs choice based on teh fact that although 5 years later I still have a lot to learn about emacs, I was able to sit down and edit a file with it, wheras I *still* feel a sense of accomplishment if I open something in vi, change it, and quit without screwing something up.
| 4:22 am on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Actually I've recently been using the editor in TopStyle for both CSS and XHTML. I back that up with NoteTab when I get stuck...I use the TopStyle mostly for validating CSS on the fly, but don't let it generate much of the code. I do a lot more of that by hand still.
| 4:57 am on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I prefer to code by hand even css but ... since the tool that i use is dreamweaver, sometimes i use its feature to write CSS on the Page itself (head) and not on a separate file then manually sort them and separately create a separate css files.
why do i do this? .... hmmm ....
i believe papabaer got me into this. as he always mentioned something about getting all his stuff out of the van etc .... zzzz cool story though ;)
BTW, where d hell is papabaer?
| 4:57 am on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I write smallish personal webpages using HTML and CSS and am definitely still learning. My boyfriend writes web-based client applications with database interactions and user interfaces everywhere, using more programming languages and fancy stuff than I can keep track of, and lots of CSS.
We both code exclusively by hand using Text Pad. It's a great application, much better than Note Pad (in my opinion :)) but just as easy to use. I'm not sure what it's called, but it changes the colour of parts of the code depending on what it is (eg a variable goes blue, etc) and can be set up for a wide variety of programming languages. I find this very helpful.
My first (very basic) style sheet was written by a friend of mine and I've built from there. Now when I need a new one I tend to cut and paste the core parts from previous sheets then adapt and expand, so it gets easier everytime because I have more parts already written ready to copy over. I know the only way I will learn something is by doing it myself so coding by hand has really helped me understand how things work. At the same time my pages are (so far) small enough so I can keep track of everything without an application to help.
| 5:53 am on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Yes, there's a lot to be said for having a little code library for CSS.
Sheesh, I even have an blank XHTML page with generic styles in the <head> for posting examples on WebmasterWorld!
| 6:08 am on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I create basic pages in PageMill (Mac) because it's so easy, especially for tables, then touch up by hand. PageMill writes writes reasonably clean code once you quit trying to format everything with the wysisyg features and use CSS instead.
Except for CSS snippets that I've lifted from tutorials, I've only ever written CSS by hand. I'm still learning, and my big fat reference book is always close at hand.
This board is a key part of my CSS education!
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