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Microsoft's Expression Web Designer toolset
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msg:940206
 5:34 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Developers on Monday will get their first chance to play with a Web layout and design tool Microsoft hopes will lure developers from Adobe Dreamweaver.

Microsoft plans to release an early, Community Technology Preview (CTP) version of Expression Web Designer, one of three new tools designed to compete with rival Adobe's extensive Web design portfolio.


[microsoft.com...]

[pcworld.com...]

 

Kufu




msg:940207
 6:00 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I find it funny that in one of the demos the 'browser preview' drop down list only contained IE (different versions), and neglected to include FF or Opera.

The reason MS keeps losing ground when it comes to web applications and services is because they are so focused on maintaining a monopoly that they totally ignore the end user, and what they may actually need/want from a product.

skibum




msg:940208
 6:12 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

They'll probably bundle it for free with the new OS as with PPT and Office a while back.

johncory




msg:940209
 6:14 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I find it funny that in one of the demos the 'browser preview' drop down list only contained IE (different versions), and neglected to include FF or Opera.

That's funny, I was just surprised to see they were zooming in on the export list that includes "Save as Illustrator file"

I didn't see anything in the demo that looked superior to Macrodobe software though. Mostly, it all looked like a really unabashed rip-off, too little too late as is standard with this monopoly at this point. They have THE legacy but they're bloated and everybody knows it.

But I guess as long as it's better than FrontPage (or even if it's not) people will buy it and those of us who aren't self-employed will have to learn it. Sigh.

maximillianos




msg:940210
 6:27 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do folks still use Dreamweaver?

pageoneresults




msg:940211
 6:28 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks Neil, I'm downloading 224MB at 548KB/Sec and will put it through the wringer over the next few weeks. I've been waiting patiently to get my hands on this. Let's see if I can shed a more positive light on the product. ;)

But I guess as long as it's better than FrontPage.

There's nothing wrong with FrontPage. It's the users, not the program. ;)

mack




msg:940212
 6:29 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Anyone manged to get this to install?

I download the setup and run it. It then prompts me "do you wish to install" before dying back to desktop.

OS: XP pro sp2

Mack.

chinook




msg:940213
 6:36 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

application failed for me too

pageoneresults




msg:940214
 6:38 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yup, failed for me on first try. I'm downloading the file again just to double check.

[edited by: pageoneresults at 7:14 pm (utc) on May 15, 2006]

pageoneresults




msg:940215
 6:40 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

While we're attempting to install, here is some information that FrontPage users will want to read...

[microsoft.com...]

Can I use Expression Web Designer to work on files created in FrontPage?
Yes. You can use Expression Web Designer to open Web sites created in any version of FrontPage and edit existing page content. However, one of the objectives of Expression Web Designer is to help you create high-quality Web sites based on today's standards and technologies such as Webbots which have now been superseded by ASP.NET controls with the same or similar functionality; therefore, you will not be able to add new page elements of this type. We are planning on providing a range of resources to assist FrontPage users in migrating their legacy sites to fully conform to these new standards.

webbots are being superseded by ASP.NET Controls. Hmmm, this should be interesting...

jimbeetle




msg:940216
 6:46 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dang, my old W2K doesn't cut it, requires at least XP. I'm just so comfy with this I really don't want to make any changes. Maybe next year.

j_h_maccann




msg:940217
 6:52 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I find it funny that in one of the demos the 'browser preview' drop down list only contained IE (different versions), and neglected to include FF or Opera.

Actually, in that demo the list contains only one version of IE (6), offered for preview in a variety of screen sizes.

In the current FrontPage2003, the "Preview in Browser" command picks up all of the browsers currently installed on your machine and offers them all in a usage-sorted list at various screen sizes. (You can edit some out if you want.)

It would be standard practise not to install anything on a demo machine not needed for the demo, so the demo machine wouldn't have had the other browsers installed and hence they wouldn't appear in the dynamic choices for "Preview in Browser".

It looks like the same feature as in FrontPage2003. Very convenient, since it uses your local edited copies of multiple HTML, CSS, JS, etc. files and lets you preview their interacting result in multiple browsers without FTP'ing anything to a server--it's like an instant virtual "staging server".

pageoneresults




msg:940218
 6:53 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Failed again after downloading the file a second time. I even rebooted to see if that would help and get the same failure.

Also, I get Unknown Publisher errors. Tacky!

So, I guess we wait until they release a patch to correct the failed install?

P.S. MS is aware of the failure to install and is investigating now.

Thanks for reporting this. Several people have reported this too and it's being investigated. Sorry for the problem!

Not a good start. :(

mack




msg:940219
 7:18 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yea, read somethign along those lines on their newsgroup. Will try again in a few days. Actualy looks like a good app.

Mack.

Jon_King




msg:940220
 7:41 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is there a successful installation by anyone? Fail here as well, might consider removing this thread...

rden17




msg:940221
 12:27 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

They pulled the link from [microsoft.com...]

Says they are working on it.

Anyone check out the videos for the new MS Graphics software? Deke McClelland is doing the training videos for it. Looks like a pretty decent contender to Photoshop.
I think Deke finally got tired of Adobe not implementing his ideas and went to MS to design something new for them. He knows this new app inside and out.

mack




msg:940222
 12:58 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think MS have rushed into this big time. Right from the start it was looking bad when the Windows installer let me know it was an "unknown manufacturer" then the installer failed to install the software.

If they cant get an installer to work right this really doesn't inspire confidence in the application its self. Poor play by Microsoft.

Mack.

Hanu




msg:940223
 2:19 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Common, it's a CTP. One silly bug in the installer doesn't make a bad product.

mack




msg:940224
 9:57 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

One silly bug in the installer doesn't make a bad product

The installer is proably the simplest part of the app and it doesnt work, says a lot.

Mack.

vincevincevince




msg:940225
 10:46 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am getting this for the trial page:
We are encountering technical difficulties.

We are working on this problem right now
and hope to have it resolved soon.

Please check back again tomorrow morning PST.

I doubt it would have installed on FC4 anyway :(
<edit>I was right...
Supported operating system:
•Microsoft Windows® XP with Service Pack 2 (SP2) or later

...both dreamweaver and NVU run fine though - what are they trying to say? Use windows or else?

ringsoft




msg:940226
 11:17 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

The feature tour for the graphic designer app made it look a bit like Fireworks on steroids. The putting text in an irregular box feature even leans towards DTP.

Still, I see this as a threat to Fireworks rather than Photoshop.

Anyone get any idea about pricing/bundling plans?

dmmh




msg:940227
 11:30 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

looks totally awesome to me :)

peschli




msg:940228
 12:39 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'd use it if it works under Linux, and I tell you WINE has done a great job at getting MS products to work in the OS and I won't be surprised if they do.

Jon_King




msg:940229
 2:57 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wee Hee! Up, installed and running!

Go for it.

Jon_King




msg:940230
 3:06 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can say static Dreamweaver files are working well.... and I'm already liking the Visual Aids options for the work environment.

dauction




msg:940231
 6:41 pm on May 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Open.. It's frontpage updated .. I dont know a name change was necessary. With FrontPage they already have name recognition ..

This is FrontPage 2007 ..

vincevincevince




msg:940232
 2:16 am on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

I dont know a name change was necessary. With FrontPage they already have name recognition ..

That sounds like a comment likely to start an argument if ever I saw one. Let's all avoid Frontpage and Microsoft bashing please and stay on topic!

dauction




msg:940233
 2:38 pm on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

That sounds like a comment likely to start an argument if ever I saw one. Let's all avoid Frontpage and Microsoft bashing please and stay on topic!

Um..who is Frontpage bashing? I use FP2003 and love it .. I'm saying they have name recognition with FP why change the name to "expressions" when it is still FP ...just a long awaited update version ..

Looks like better css support is the main improvement otherwise it's still FP..

That said as soon as I posted "they already have name recognition wiht Front Page" I was certainly expecting a flood of

exactly why they should change the name comments ;)

mack




msg:940234
 6:03 pm on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Notice now easy is it as add MSN content :)

You can add MSN search, maps ect as web components.

Mack.

pageoneresults




msg:940235
 6:28 pm on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

You can add MSN search, maps ect as web components.

Mack, that is so FP2003. ;)

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